Just Watched Garcia-Judah Fight Again

[FerFAL]

Another guy underestimating danny. Look here, Peterson was aware of Matt power but when he got pressured he engaged in a brawl with Matt rather than proceeding to back up. He had to fight lucas off and what ****** for him was his lack of power. Once lucas Matt feels Danny's power he will not be as tempted to throw wild punches. Another thing bro, don't look in to that zab fight too much, zabs a southpaw which automatically meant no left hooks for my man swift. He basically fought him with his right hand. I cannot wait for sept 14, danny will prove himself.

Peterson plan was to use the jab and keep the distance, which was of course the right strategy, but he started to brawl more because staying away got him dropped in round 2. Lucas had been landing the jab and straight right hand, while parrying Peterson's jab.
I dont think Lucas throws wild, he's pretty cerebral in delivering punches, his accuracy is pretty good, well above average and better than that of his opponents in his latest fights.

[M Bison]

The first thing that comes to mind is how slick and durable Zab remains even past his prime. He boxes nicely, has lots of heart and exploits his south paw well.
The second one is how easy it was for Zab to land on Garcia, and how close he came to KO Garcia in round 10.
Comparing this fight to the Matthysse-Judah I think both Garcia and Matthysse won by points (even if Lucas lost to the judges) , but a less experienced Matthysse still managed to dominate more and get hurt less by a younger, closer to his prime Judah.
Given that this was Garcia's last fight and just a few weeks away from the big fight with Matthysse, Garcia looks easy to hit, with heart, but not particualrly skilled or crafty. Its more about him taking punches and landing his own, and bascially relying on his power. On the other hand Matthysse's power is on another level, so is his chin and andurance and stamina for all 12 rounds.
I guess I'm stating the obvious here and these are the reasons why Matthysse is favorite. It should be a good fight though. I think Peterson was a better fighter, but it should still be a competitive and fun fight to watch.
Thoughts? (other than ******ed trolling please)

Simple plan for Danny is he needs to change his game-plan up, he can take a shot but If I was his trainer I'd be looking for him to punch with caution.

This could be a 50/50 fight If Danny Garcia goes out with a good enough game-plan to nullify Matthysse obvious strengths but the matter is have we ever seen Garcia fight in a way that he usually doesn't?
To beat Lucas I genuinely believe you're going to have to be a good sharp shooter and a good mover something which Danny is definitely not renowned for.

Well I really can't see this going any other way than a win for Lucas I could be wrong and I hope I'm not as I want this Al Haymon hype machine wrecked once and for all.

[Kingjames6Flee]

Peterson plan was to use the jab and keep the distance, which was of course the right strategy, but he started to brawl more because staying away got him dropped in round 2. Lucas had been landing the jab and straight right hand, while parrying Peterson's jab.
I dont think Lucas throws wild, he's pretty cerebral in delivering punches, his accuracy is pretty good, well above average and better than that of his opponents in his latest fights.

He's uncoordinated and swings wildly. He hasn't been in with a guy that can seriously hurt him other than judah who barely hit him with any power shots but that weak ass uppercut with no leverage. Danny can hurt lucas and we know lucas can hurt danny. Lucas has accuracy I'm jus speaking in his balance and positioning. Danny gonna counter his ass.

[FerFAL]

I gave Garcia no chance against Khan going into their fight.But as the fight progressed I could see that Garcia was working Khan out and adapting. His biggest strength is adapting to his opponent so it is not so much improving but doing something he does already adapting. A lot will depend on how they can take and cope with eachother's heavy shots. If Garcia can stand up to Mattysse's heavy blows I can see him winning. That is the big ?????

Sounds like you saw a different fight man. Khan was beating Garcia with better boxing until he got a hook to the neck. I just dont see him adapting much in any of his fights. He's more about getting hit to land his own blows, and so far has shown nice resistance and power, but not much in strategy or boxing skills. Being a tough kid has helped, but Khan was wining and outboxing him until the hook to the neck.
Trying to win a fight against Matthysse by stading up to his heavy blows as you put it is suicide for any human being. The way to beat him would be to be extremly skilled, very slick, so as to achieve the proverbial punch and not get punched, and manage to keep that for all 12rounds. Of course, this isnt exactly easy which is why we've seen him win his last 6 fights the way he did.

[Earl-Hickey]

Judah hit both of them easily. He was just more focused for the Garcia fight. Maybe a result of all the smack talking Garcia's father was doing. Garcia was ready for almost everything Judah had. He definitely did his homework for that fight. That's why I give a very very slight edge against Matthysse. Let's assume that power and skills are about the same. Garcia seem to have the ability to think in the ring even when things are rough for him. Against Khan and Morales (1st fight), Garcia had to think and make adjustments. He was getting tagged by both of them but he remained focused, relaxed, and pulled off the wins.

Why would we assume that? Matthyse is clearly on another level in terms of both

[New England]

prime judah woul dhave won more rounds against matthysse, but you gotta figure that he'd fall apart mentally. a seasoned judah had what it took mentally, but was just slow enough to not be able to not be able to win the balance of the rounds.

[Prince Mongo]

[QUOTE=FerFAL;13614426]Sounds like you saw a different fight man. Khan was beating Garcia with better boxing until he got a hook to the neck. I just dont see him adapting much in any of his fights. He's more about getting hit to land his own blows, and so far has shown nice resistance and power, but not much in strategy or boxing skills. Being a tough kid has helped, but Khan was wining and outboxing him until the hook to the neck.
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We saw the same fight but you were taken in by the bias commentary. Watch the fight again with the sound off which is what I did when I got fed up with the obvious verbal propaganda. Garcia was getting closer and closer to landing as the fight progressed and when he switched to the body I knew it was over. The lucky punch and Khan was dominating is a myth. Garcia was pregressively working Khan out as the fight went on.

[HarvardBlue]

Why would we assume that? Matthyse is clearly on another level in terms of both

I don't see much difference between the two. They both have power. They're both hittable. I'll give a slight speed and accuracy advantage to Matthysse, but like I said, I believe Garcia has the better ring IQ so that's a wash. By the way, I don't see how much more dominant Matthysse was against Judah than Garcia.

[FerFAL]

He's uncoordinated and swings wildly.

He hasn't been in with a guy that can seriously hurt him other than judah who barely hit him with any power shots but that weak ass uppercut with no leverage. Danny can hurt lucas and we know lucas can hurt danny. Lucas has accuracy I'm jus speaking in his balance and positioning. Danny gonna counter his ass.

Judah was not Matthysse's toughest fight. Olusegun was a war, Soto was a tough fight too even if he KO ed both. Peterson, Olusegun, Soto, all have about the same KO rate as Garcia, all of them heavy punchers.

[QUOTE=Prince Mongo;13614465]

Sounds like you saw a different fight man. Khan was beating Garcia with better boxing until he got a hook to the neck. I just dont see him adapting much in any of his fights. He's more about getting hit to land his own blows, and so far has shown nice resistance and power, but not much in strategy or boxing skills. Being a tough kid has helped, but Khan was wining and outboxing him until the hook to the neck.
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We saw the same fight but you were taken in by the bias commentary. Watch the fight again with the sound off which is what I did when I got fed up with the obvious verbal propaganda. Garcia was getting closer and closer to landing as the fight progressed and when he switched to the body I knew it was over. The lucky punch and Khan was dominating is a myth. Garcia was pregressively working Khan out as the fight went on.

Garcia's timing was good, but I still see it as a lucky punch because until then Garcia had been failing to counter and dominate Khan and he was losing the fight in every way, shape or form no matter how biased the commentary could have been. That punch changed everything, took away Khan speed and the fight basically ended there IMO.

[FerFAL]

I don't see much difference between the two. They both have power. They're both hittable. I'll give a slight speed and accuracy advantage to Matthysse, but like I said, I believe Garcia has the better ring IQ so that's a wash. By the way, I don't see how much more dominant Matthysse was against Judah than Garcia.

He was never hurt like Garcia was, not ever close to getting KO like Danny in round 10. Judah was either getting hit or running the entire fight and got a hometown decision. That's why most commentators and even Socarde laHoya saw Lucas winning that fight. The Alexander robbery was even worse, pretty shameful.