Mayweather Catchweights vs Pacquiao Catchweights

[hhs661]

Floyd has been fighting at 147+ since 2005. For Manny it was the first time above 147 and Margarito was really a career 147 fighter.

Yes, for the title you are right but even then Floyd vs Canelo is for 3 titles and Floyd has a title at 154. So the Canelo one ranks right after Marquez in my opinion. Having Marquez who just moved up to 135 then Marquez is expecting to fight Floyd at 144 BUT Floyd comes in at 146. Can't get any worse than that!

I can see your argument with the Canelo fight but knowing Canelo himself won that title at 150 doesn't help any. The reason I say Margarito was the worst is for the fact that neither deserved to challenge for the belt.

It was a gimme title for Manny. Fight a guy who didn't look great after a long layoff, due to a suspension, then immediately get a title shot afterwards. This was a farce of a title fight.

I also didn't like that Cotto was a well established champion/fighter at WW and had to budge for the challenger. Cotto's a draw in himself so I don't think the catchweight should've been part of the fight. Just like I don't think it should be for Floyd-Canelo.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

And what is Manny saying , Cotto is used up goods said Roach , Oscar cant pull the trigger said Roach , Manny has had weight on Juan every time they have fought and still forced him to 147 because Roach said we want to force Juan to stand and trade by being slower , you succeeded in making him trade Freddie lol , Manny force Bradley up to 147 and now is forcing Rios up to 147 , Manny weighed more than Floyd did fighting JMM , fck me if you dissect all the information surrounding Mannys WW fights its nothing but manipulation and the opponent always got the raw end of the deal .

WTF is wrong with you guys , what does WORSE mean , Team Pac has forced the CWs on fighters to severely handicap the opponent and Roach has said so blatantly .

The Mayweather hate and bias and double standards of this forum is a joke .

And you're the biggest joke on it. What does that say?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

And what is Manny saying , Cotto is used up goods said Roach , Oscar cant pull the trigger said Roach , Manny has had weight on Juan every time they have fought and still forced him to 147 because Roach said we want to force Juan to stand and trade by being slower , you succeeded in making him trade Freddie lol , Manny force Bradley up to 147 and now is forcing Rios up to 147 , Manny weighed more than Floyd did fighting JMM , fck me if you dissect all the information surrounding Mannys WW fights its nothing but manipulation and the opponent always got the raw end of the deal .

WTF is wrong with you guys , what does WORSE mean , Team Pac has forced the CWs on fighters to severely handicap the opponent and Roach has said so blatantly .

The Mayweather hate and bias and double standards of this forum is a joke .

1. he made juan fight at 147, how is that a catchweight????

2.you quoted me in agreeing that floyd is willing to fight past prime fighters at 154 and not prime fighters,,,
You disagree???? how come floyd vs canelo is 152 then.. please answer that

3. Bradley want to be a welterweight champ,,, bringing up bradley, you are just grasping for straws,, ,it was at the welter limit for the belt,,,
So JLC was dragging floyd up when they fought at 135,,, duran was dragged up to fight SRL,,, You make no sense with that statement about bradley,, pretty much every champion ever has gone up in weight to gain another belt,, but if bradley does it, manny is dragging him there to get an adavantage,,, Please, your logic is flawed...

4. then you say rios,,, what catchweight are they fighting at?????? please tell me what catchweight they fighting at???????

5.i didnt like the cotto catchweight, and i didnt like the canelo catchweight,,,,

6. I just said that alot of manny's are overblown,, people say oscar, but oscar is the one that picked that weight, if it wasnt manny he would have fought hatton etc

[Enzo Mc is SHIT]

There is nothing wrong with a catchweight to level the playing field between fighters of different sizes. 151lbs is not automatically less legitimate than 154lbs. Weight classes are arbitrary.

But these fights shouldn't be for belts.

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1. he made juan fight at 147, how is that a catchweight????

2.you quoted me in agreeing that floyd is willing to fight past prime fighters at 154 and not prime fighters,,,
You disagree???? how come floyd vs canelo is 152 then.. please answer that

3. Bradley want to be a welterweight champ,,, bringing up bradley, you are just grasping for straws,, ,it was at the welter limit for the belt,,,
So JLC was dragging floyd up when they fought at 135,,, duran was dragged up to fight SRL,,, You make no sense with that statement about bradley,, pretty much every champion ever has gone up in weight to gain another belt,, but if bradley does it, manny is dragging him there to get an adavantage,,, Please, your logic is flawed...

4. then you say rios,,, what catchweight are they fighting at?????? please tell me what catchweight they fighting at???????

5.i didnt like the cotto catchweight, and i didnt like the canelo catchweight,,,,

6. I just said that alot of manny's are overblown,, people say oscar, but oscar is the one that picked that weight, if it wasnt manny he would have fought hatton etc

1) A contracted weight above or below your usual division is a Catch weight , its still forcing an opponent to a weight he is not accustomed to , for instance if JMM came up to a contracted 146 its a CW in your eyes but 147 is not , where is your logic .,

2) is a ****** question when Manny wont even fight them within 4 pounds of 154 , even after he beat the guy at 145 , is he scared to fight the 154 version of Cotto , you bet your bottom dollar he is .

3) apply your answer to Floyd vs JMM and Hatton , its the same as Bradley JMM and Rios to Pac , only Hatton was undefeated and Floyd don't fight losers .

4) read number 1 again , to Rios its a CW that if he didn't agree to no fight .

5) Im glad as neither do I , do you understand that the 2lb as a % of bodyweight is more for Cotto to lose than the bigger Canelo to lose .

6) Ive never blamed Manny for Oscar , it was all on Oscar but that does not change the fact that Oscar was a deadman walking and would have been stopped by an top WW that day , Steve Forbes would have beat him that day , not Mannys fault at all but its a win that is empty because he beat a shadow of the man , 154 Oscar beats the crap out of Manny , and Id bet good real money 154 Cotto does the same , and add 154 Margarito in a regular 18 ft ring and you also got a very different fight .

Your very much a Floyd hater and apply rules to him that you don't apply to your favorite fighters .

[Dirk Diggler UK]

1) A contracted weight above or below your usual division is a Catch weight , its still forcing an opponent to a weight he is not accustomed to , for instance if JMM came up to a contracted 146 its a CW in your eyes but 147 is not , where is your logic .,

4) read number 1 again , to Rios its a CW that if he didn't agree to no fight .

So if Floyd fights the Garcia/Matthysse winner, it's a catchweight fight?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

1) A contracted weight above or below your usual division is a Catch weight , its still forcing an opponent to a weight he is not accustomed to , for instance if JMM came up to a contracted 146 its a CW in your eyes but 147 is not , where is your logic .,

2) is a ****** question when Manny wont even fight them within 4 pounds of 154 , even after he beat the guy at 145 , is he scared to fight the 154 version of Cotto , you bet your bottom dollar he is .

3) apply your answer to Floyd vs JMM and Hatton , its the same as Bradley JMM and Rios to Pac , only Hatton was undefeated and Floyd don't fight losers .

4) read number 1 again , to Rios its a CW that if he didn't agree to no fight .

5) Im glad as neither do I , do you understand that the 2lb as a % of bodyweight is more for Cotto to lose than the bigger Canelo to lose .

6) Ive never blamed Manny for Oscar , it was all on Oscar but that does not change the fact that Oscar was a deadman walking and would have been stopped by an top WW that day , Steve Forbes would have beat him that day , not Mannys fault at all but its a win that is empty because he beat a shadow of the man , 154 Oscar beats the crap out of Manny , and Id bet good real money 154 Cotto does the same , and add 154 Margarito in a regular 18 ft ring and you also got a very different fight .

Your very much a Floyd hater and apply rules to him that you don't apply to your favorite fighters .

Im not a floyd hater,, why do you look at my posts in ggg vs floyd or is floyd past his prime,, or even the duran-floyd thread,,,,

i dont think you understand the concept of a catchweight,,, rios is not at a catchweight,,, if you wanna fight a welter then go to welter,,,
If rios wants to stay at 140 then stay there...

as for your 3rd point,,, Floyd hand picked jmm,,,, did you think jmm had a chance in that fight,,,
Do you really believe that jmm had any chance of outboxing floyd,,, its never going to happen,,, jmm outboxes guys, and floyd is the best boxer on the planet,,, do you really think jmm was a true threat to floyd, do you think its a good win....

Hatton-floyd fight i really dont have a problem with except for the fact that hatton looked like crap at welter,, floyd knew this,, and floyd never had been lineal champ at 140... I was just disappointed that floyd did go down and beat him,, he beats hatton in any division, then why not go down and take his lineal title,, then floyd would have won lineal welter, jrmid, jrwelter in 3 consecutive fights,,, thats is what a GOAT would do,,, thats why im frustrated with floyd,,

He doesnt challenge himself,, and when he does with canelo fight he pulls a catchweight....

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If rios fight was at 146 is that a CW ?

I don't think you understand the effects of a major jump in weight on the fighter making the move , you just playing technical word games .

[Sugar Adam Ali]

So if Floyd fights the Garcia/Matthysse winner, it's a catchweight fight?

Exactly,, thank you,,,,

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Exactly,, thank you,,,,

That guy is literally the biggest moron on this forum.