Comments Thread For: Duran: In My Era, Mayweather Would've Been Ordinary

[I Love Jesus!]

to be fair, SRL had a detached retina and eye socket damage from the hearns fight,,,,

and when SRL cameback he fought hagler, not exactly ortiz or ghost

Exactly but I'm sure there are a few knob jobs like Frank Luvdixs who will yell u how ortiz and ghost are just as good if not better then Hagler and Hearns. Like that other delusional idiot who claimed Baldomir was Duran 2.0

[Frank Ducketts]

to be fair, SRL had a detached retina and eye socket damage from the hearns fight,,,,

and when SRL cameback he fought hagler, not exactly ortiz or ghost

Exactly. After Leonard beat the hell out of Hearns, Leonard had a reason to go on vacation.

[Slip Stream]

Seeing the Present Through the Eyes Of the Past - Part II

I think its only natural that Duran would chime in with these sort of statements, Mayweather's at the very pinnacle of the sport and fairly easy to dislike. While Roberto himself must be content with what's he done and what he has. To attempt to put this into perspective I mention Joe Louis, who more than any other athlete in American history represented every man, woman, and child in America (not just blacks) and won in an era of world war. I imagine the sense of validation and accomplishment that came with that win over schmeling and many other fighters. But look at what became of the man and all American hero, he ended up destitute and a carnival attraction. How must that feel?

What's Duran supposed to say, is he supposed to ignore his many signature fights all to pass on praise to Mayweather? Duran's a prideful man, not only of his country but of himself. When a man feels passionately, you allow him that, respect his right to vent that emotion but you can't confuse that with what is real. How many stories have we seen of past fighters making statements about the era in which they fought measured against the present? It wouldn't be natural if a fighter didn't hail his respective era as the best.

Imho boxing doesn't need an "all-time" great because all of these men dedicate so much to the sport and in so doing leave virtually nothing for themselves, so greatness should be respected in all champions not just conferred to a deified few.

[soul_survivor]

Exactly but I'm sure there are a few knob jobs like Frank Luvdixs who will yell u how ortiz and ghost are just as good if not better then Hagler and Hearns. Like that other delusional idiot who claimed Baldomir was Duran 2.0

Yep, SRL came away from a 4 year layoff to fight the undisputed MW champ of the world, a top 3 mw ATG and one of the p4p greats...and he won. Floyd came back out of retirement to fight................Victor Ortiz, feared LWW, quitter against Maidana, toe to toe war monger against Berto, draw against Peterson, damn that ma***a was a beast

[Kuyukut]

Do you consider Ray Leonard elite? How many "vacations" did he take?

if i’m a mod I’ll ip ban you for comparing sugar ray’s ATG status with a fighter that ducks worthy opponents. not even a casual fan/floydiot like you should ever mention the name sugar ray on a ducker’s thread.

comprende

[richardt]

You have said you view numerous times that really changes nothing. Hearns didn't crush Benitez though and lost to Leonard, so you obviously think Floyd is worse than Benitez because Benitez couldn't do it Floyd can't but if FLoyd is better than Benitez that doesn't leave much room for error with Hearns does it.

You think Floyd is getting taken out with a left hook from an orthodox fighter? SO what Hearns has one weapon inside that is an easy punch to negate, if Floyd gets it to the point that Hearns is looking to land a hook like that Hearns lost~

I didn't say Hearns would take Floyd out with a left Hook. And Benitez took shots from guys who hit harder that Corley and Mosley without flinching. You also forget, Hearns was a wicked body puncher. Again, Hearns is the overwhelming pick in a fight against Floyd to crush him.

[wizard king]

You can't even write you dumb ****. He really had the nerve to write this ish so you know he has an alt if this isn't the alt, lmao.

Says the jacka$$ with many alts, go back to sucking on mays knob,you are just another dip$$hiit I can laugh at.

[Frank Ducketts]

Yep, SRL came away from a 4 year layoff to fight the undisputed MW champ of the world, a top 3 mw ATG and one of the p4p greats...and he won. Floyd came back out of retirement to fight................Victor Ortiz, feared LWW, quitter against Maidana, toe to toe war monger against Berto, draw against Peterson, damn that ma***a was a beast

Floyd's a beast anyway. He came back from layoffs and beat Marquez and Ortiz. What makes Floyd a beast is that he's beaten everyone that he's faced.

[Frank Ducketts]

Says the jacka$$ with many alts, go back to sucking on mays knob,you are just another dip$$hiit I can laugh at.

I'm going to tell your mother that you have a potty mouth.

[Body_Snatcher]

I'm not even going to get into this debate but Breadman (boxing trainer) wrote this and it gives you some perspective

As for Duran’s comments I wish he never said them. Old timers should show these new kids respect and vice versa. Everybody always thinks their era was the best, everybody thinks their neighborhood is the toughest. It’s just the way it is. But everything that is understood doesn’t have to be said. Let Floyd live in his era, the guy can’t help when he was born.


Now I can’t tell if it was you or the writer of the piece that said you have far more talent today than there was 30 years ago, but whoever said that is WRONG. The problem is if you weren’t watching boxing 30 years ago or you don’t really know the sport then you may not know the B level studs. Just like some guys 30 years from now won’t know how tough that kid Chaves is that Keith Thurman just beat. Some guys you actually have to really do research on or have been watching boxing at the time to know who they were.

There is NO way guys are better today at top or mid level. First let’s go through the top. Since you brought up Floyd, let’s use him as an example. Floyd has won titles from 130 to 154. Ok Let’s go back to Duran’s time. At 130 the best fighter was Alexis Arguello. I’m not going to get into who wins or loses. But Arguello is recognized as either best or 2nd best fighter ever at 130. His reign there was off the charts. Floyd would have had his hands full with a prime Arguello of 78-80. At 135 we have Roberto the Beater. Duran just beat you too death. Not so sure if Floyd would have won a title at 135 had he been fighting back then. Next you have Aaron Pryor at 140. That’s another tough fight for Floyd. That’s 3 all time greats he would have had to tangle with that are better than anybody he has ever faced.


At 147 you have Leonard and Hearns. They stand 5’10 and 6’1 and they would both be big problems for the great Mayweather. Then at 154 Hearns and Mike McCallum were the guns on the block. Let’s assume that if a 154 pound Miguel Cotto troubled Floyd than these guys would. So the writer who claimed that things were top heavy back then was dead on.


But he missed the killers in Bobby Chacon and Boza Edwards at 130. How about Edwin Viruet and Hector Thompson at 135. Antonio Cervantes at 140. Carlos Palomino and Andy Price at 147. Tony Ayala and Davey Moore at 154. I could really go on all day.


In this day and age of interim this and super that there is more room to succeed. But in those days if Duran or Leonard wanted to unify they had to fight Hearns and Esteban De Jesus. There is a difference bro. In this era Floyd is probably the only guy at these weights that could have competed with the killers from Duran’s day. No disrespect to these guys but you wouldn’t even see all of this moving up. Adrien Broner jumping from 135 to 147 to fight what champion?!


If Broner waits for Heanrs or Leonard to move up then he would have had to deal with Dandy Donald Curry and Marlon Starling. I’m telling you things are different. And trust me nobody would be moving up to 160 today if a guy like Marvin was around.


I will just leave it at this. I train my fighters to be old school. That word is popular for a reason. Boxing was more popular, you had less titles and better champions. There were some really good fighters who couldn’t win a title that would be a champion today. Ask any matchmaker over 50 how would Edwin Viruet have done with Antonio DeMarco or Ricky Burns at 135. Seriously. I don’t want to disrespect any of these fighters today that are trying their best, again they can’t help when they were born.


But there is just a difference. A distinct difference in the eras. I see too many guys that could not have competed at the top level years back. So let me name the guys who could have instead of the guys who I think would have just been ordinary. For the record Floyd MAyweather would not be ordinary in any era. He’s special. He just wouldn’t be a 5 division undefeated titlist. So the list goes Floyd Mayweather, Andre Ward, Manny PAcquiao, Juan Manuel Marquez, Bernard Hopkins, Nonito Donaire and Guillermo Rigondeaux would rock out and give as good as they would take in any era at their prime weights. If I didn’t name them then they couldn’t or I don’t know enough about them yet. Now let me state the guys I named wouldn’t do all of this weight jumping and their records may not be so glossy but they would do their thing. That’s my honest assessment.