Comments Thread For: Duran: In My Era, Mayweather Would've Been Ordinary

[richardt]

Floyd could beat everybody on the resume of prime 135 Duran .

Duran would have been arrested for murder if he had a Jose Luis Castillo and it wouldn't have taken 2 fights to get a win. And Floyd does NOT beat the 1980 Montreal version of Duran, PERIOD. Duran smothers Floyd and breaks him down. Hearns crushes Floyd. Floyd would not be able to back up or move inside of Hearn's reach. Nothing else would work. Leonard overwhelms Floyd. Leonard's left hook would have Mayweather walking on eggs and his lightning speed turns Floyd's defence into a useless tool.

[The Gambler1981]

Duran would have been arrested for murder if he had a Jose Luis Castillo and it wouldn't have taken 2 fights to get a win. And Floyd does NOT beat the 1980 Montreal version of Duran, PERIOD. Duran smothers Floyd and breaks him down. Hearns crushes Floyd. Floyd would not be able to back up or move inside of Hearn's reach. Nothing else would work. Leonard overwhelms Floyd. Leonard's left hook would have Mayweather walking on eggs and his lightning speed turns Floyd's defence into a useless tool.

Floyd would move and outbox Duran~ and JLC would have gave Duran a tough fight.

Floyd would get inside on Hearns making him miss his first shot then making his long arms a liability and Hearns had no clue how to clinch up at 147.

Ray Leonard would get outboxed as his defensive technique would not work on Floyd and he would have difficulty hitting Floyd back.

See how easy that is

Floyd is not an easy fight for those dudes, those dudes would all know it deep inside and you do also~ you just can't admit it to yourself.

[richardt]

Floyd would move and outbox Duran~ and JLC would have gave Duran a tough fight.

Floyd would get inside on Hearns making him miss his first shot then making his long arms a liability and Hearns had no clue how to clinch up at 147.

Ray Leonard would get outboxed as his defensive technique would not work on Floyd and he would have difficulty hitting Floyd back.

See how easy that is

Floyd is not an easy fight for those dudes, those dudes would all know it deep inside and you do also~ you just can't admit it to yourself.

Don't kid yourself! Looks like you've never seen Floyd fight. Floyd is an OUTSIDE fighter and only fights inside when he is pressed against the ropes. He does not fight inside in the middle of the ring, duh! No way in hell does Floyd get past that lightning rod jab and does not have the power to make a difference. If you think a guy who was rocked by Mosley and Corley is going to take Hearn's right hand, you're talking out your a$$. JLC would have been knocked out WORSE by Duran than he was against Javier Jauregui and Diego Corrales. Duran was better in EVERY catagory than JCC. An old Oscar was able to hit Floyd and he doesn't have half the speed of Leonard. Leonard was bigger, stronger, faster and had finishing power. Dream on with your fantasties that Floyd would beat the 80's Weltwerweights. You won't find a single poll that will back you up.

[alembic]

I think depth of talent isn't appreciably deeper in one era over another. But back then the sport had consistently more mainstream coverage. And top level fighters fought each other more often than the athletes of today (IMO). This combination meant more top tier fighters were in the minds of more boxing fans and sports fans in general.

Closed circuit broadcasts were reserved only for super-fights. e.g. Leonard-Hearns I. Nowadays we have PPVs like Floyd-Guererro. But this isn't a criticism on the overall talent base. It's just a sad reality of the state of the sport.

[The Big Dunn]

Duran would have been arrested for murder if he had a Jose Luis Castillo and it wouldn't have taken 2 fights to get a win. And Floyd does NOT beat the 1980 Montreal version of Duran, PERIOD. Duran smothers Floyd and breaks him down. Hearns crushes Floyd. Floyd would not be able to back up or move inside of Hearn's reach. Nothing else would work. Leonard overwhelms Floyd. Leonard's left hook would have Mayweather walking on eggs and his lightning speed turns Floyd's defence into a useless tool.

The way he smothered Laing and Dejesus?

Duran is one of the greatest tro ever lace em up. But whether it was his prime at LW, when he moved up in classes, or when he was ancient th large percentage of duran's losses were to fighters with longer reach.

Obviously he beat a ton of fighters with longer reach as well. But floyd is fast, can move, and can box from a distance. Floyd is also disciplined enough to not try and bat duran at his own game.

Duran is still DUran and would keep coming all night. As such, this is the fantasy fight I want to see the most.

[The Gambler1981]

Don't kid yourself! Looks like you've never seen Floyd fight. Floyd is an OUTSIDE fighter and only fights inside when he is pressed against the ropes. He does not fight inside in the middle of the ring, duh! No way in hell does Floyd get past that lightning rod jab and does not have the power to make a difference. If you think a guy who was rocked by Mosley and Corley is going to take Hearn's right hand, you're talking out your a$$. JLC would have been knocked out WORSE than he was against Javier Jauregui and Diego Corrales. An old Oscar was able to hit Floyd and he doesn't have half the speed of Leonard. Leonard was bigger, stronger, faster and had finishing power. Dream on with your fantasties that Floyd would beat the 80's Weltwerweights.

Floyd is a versatile fighter, if he was just an outside fighter why does he have the forearm shove trick that is an inside move~

So I would say you should watch Floyd closer~

Jauregui stopped JLC on a cut or his corner stopped it because of a cut ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hAuI0U6m8s ) so who is talking out of their ass~. Also I didn't say anything about JLC winning or not getting stopped I just said he would provide a tough fight which he would.

I didn't see Oscar hit Floyd much at all~

You are treating these guys like they are perfect fighters with no flaws, they are just men who were excellent fighters like Floyd is. Would Floyd easily beat them no, could he beat them yes just like he could lose. The realistic opinion is those are tough fights for both men involved and each would give the other issue.

You acting like a teenage girl over her favorite boy band toward 80's fighters saying shit like "zomgz these guyz are awesomes and would merderz Mayweather npz" isn't being real~

[richardt]

The way he smothered Laing and Dejesus?.

The way he smothered Leonard and others. Castillo could only dream of being as good at it as Duran was and he was still effective against Mayweather.

[richardt]

Floyd is a versatile fighter, if he was just an outside fighter why does he have the forearm shove trick that is an inside move~

So I would say you should watch Floyd closer~

Jauregui stopped JLC on a cut or his corner stopped it because of a cut ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hAuI0U6m8s ) so who is talking out of their ass~. Also I didn't say anything about JLC winning or not getting stopped I just said he would provide a tough fight which he would.

I didn't see Oscar hit Floyd much at all~

You are treating these guys like they are perfect fighters with no flaws, they are just men who were excellent fighters like Floyd is. Would Floyd easily beat them no, could he beat them yes just like he could lose. The realistic opinion is those are tough fights for both men involved and each would give the other issue.

You acting like a teenage girl over her favorite boy band toward 80's fighters saying shit like "zomgz these guyz are awesomes and would merderz Mayweather npz" isn't being real~

1 - Floyd does not fight an inside fight in the middle of the ring, forearm or not. Apparently you have never seen more than 15 minutes of Floyd fights or you would know his only real inside game is with his back against the ropes. And TWICE Javiar stopped Castillo so what the hell do you think Duran would do! You didn't watch the Oscar fight, that much is obvious because it was a split decision. Go back and look at the punch stats. Oscar hit him often. And your boy band comment is severly lacking for the simple fact that it is an overwhelming consensus by Boxing historians, fans, experts know Mayweather would not have beaten the 80's welterweights.

[The Gambler1981]

1 - Floyd does not fight an inside fight in the middle of the ring, forearm or not. Apparently you have never seen more than 15 minutes of Floyd fights or you would know his only real inside game is with his back against the ropes. And TWICE Javiar stopped Castillo so what the hell do you think Duran would do! You didn't watch the Oscar fight, that much is obvious because it was a split decision. Go back and look at the punch stats. Oscar hit him often. And your boy band comment is severly lacking for the simple fact that it is an overwhelming consensus by Boxing historians, fans, experts know Mayweather would not have beaten the 80's welterweights.

Both those were on cuts, and yea probably Duran would stop JLC but tha tis being real simplistic because the path there would be rough.

Floyd fights in different ways against different guys, he goes inside plenty~

So you bring up me not seeing the De La Hoya fight and then bring up it was a split decision, which is being extraordinarily generous to Oscar who landed like 2 good punches that weren't jabs all fight. Also punch stats are meaningless to scoring anyone who uses those as justification for anything scoring related has no clue what they are talking about.

As for what people say, it doesn't matter plus ask any real expert and they will tell you that while they may favor Duran, Leonard or Hearns (which is fine and reasonable) they will also know that Mayweather is not an easy mark in the ring for anyone.

[richardt]

Both those were on cuts, and yea probably Duran would stop JLC but tha tis being real simplistic because the path there would be rough.

Floyd fights in different ways against different guys, he goes inside plenty~

So you bring up me not seeing the De La Hoya fight and then bring up it was a split decision, which is being extraordinarily generous to Oscar who landed like 2 good punches that weren't jabs all fight. Also punch stats are meaningless to scoring anyone who uses those as justification for anything scoring related has no clue what they are talking about.

As for what people say, it doesn't matter plus ask any real expert and they will tell you that while they may favor Duran, Leonard or Hearns (which is fine and reasonable) they will also know that Mayweather is not an easy mark in the ring for anyone.

Floyd does not get inside a 6'2 Hearns, period! Again, Floyd DOES NOT fight inside in the middle of the ring.

No way in hell does Castillo last more than a few rounds against Duran. He would try to fight fire with fire against a guy who is superior in every single way.

Anyone who thinks Oscar landed only 2 good punches clearly has not seen the fight. You would get laughed out of any serious discussion. Anyone knows that if punchstats show a guy landed 122 punches, no reasonable room for error is going to be any less than 90 punches landed. A lot more than 2 good punches.

No one said Mayweather is an easy mark but the 80's Welterweights would have put him at #4 at best. And that is assuming he beats Benitez and Cuevas. Think Corely and Mosley could stun Mayweather? Cuevas would have had him badly hurt and Benitez was better than anything Floyd fought in his prime. Mayweather would have been #4, 5, or 6 depending on if he could beat a crushing puncher with 10 defences of his title and a guy with Benitez's skills and speed and that is a BIG if!