Comments Thread For: Duran: In My Era, Mayweather Would've Been Ordinary

[paul007]

There is an interview here on NSB where Margarito says he was promised the Manny fight in February 2010. They fought in November 2010.

If Margs is telling truth, that explains 2010 and it means all the bluster from Team Pac is BS. Margs isn't the most honest guy on the planet but even you have to admit its fishy.

Not sure how this doesn't make sense...but if you and I have 2 points we're arguing, in order to accomplish something, and we agree to point 1 (money) and we disagree on point 2 (testing), then we obviously don't have an agreement.

If we revisit the issue, and I come to terms with point 2 (testing) to make something work, and then you go back and now try to change point 1 (money) on me, obviously that's obviously showing on your part that you don't want this common goal to take place.

Not sure how much more black and white that can be explained...

[Fetta]

1. I actually have no interest in seeing this fight any longer, I just think it's funny that Floyd, when he can STILL make a ton of money on this fight, has to come up with excuses to block the fight.

2. The first negotiation, everyone from their brother to their uncle in the boxing biz said Pac should tell Floyd to f-ck himself. It wasn't a legit concern, it was more like "I'm accusing you of cheating, here's what we're going to do"...an A-side can't do that to another A-side. Besides, why even discuss this, the fight could have happened in 2010 and 2011-2 other times they negotiated, but $100mil wasn't enough for Floyd, he wanted EVERYTHING aside from $40 mil lol...wait, why didn't it happen again??

3. Again, never posted on here. But you're doing a great job of convincing me there's at least one other person on this forum that has some common sense and knowledge about boxing, aside from myself.

4. Take your blinders off. Could you imagine looking back at Sugar Ray Robinson's career and seeing him miss 10 legit challenges, pricing himself out of fights, and maneuvering around opponents?

5. Floyd has ATG talent, but it's not in his make up to go after legit challenges and take risks...he'd rather play it safe, which has worked out great at $32mil a fight minimum, but to be called the best in even THIS era without proving it is a joke...

NO ATHLETE SHOULD EVER SAY NO TO TESTING! He put up those red flags himself and they will NEVER go down. His legacy will include it and that i can guarantee. Just wait.

Floyd never priced himself out. 2009 it was 50/50 and Pac should have taken it but instead dropped excuse after excuse and they got more and more ridiculous. But after that 2009 one kept moving forward and the other was trapped by Arum and look at them now.

2010-2011 you mean the Arum clock but Arum doesnt nego through media but he went through media but he doesnt do that but he did and there you go going round and round in the Arum spin like so many Pac fans did.

I agree the 40 mil/100%PPV was crap but its called negotiations by then Pac was telling his countryman to be "filipinos and say i won" while trying to rematch a guy who he "beat" and Floyd saw he wasnt making money like him and 50/50 was off table. Dont care about money but it was part of that one.

Now just wait till Pac beat Rios and he will be begging for a fight and for that 40mil or 60/40. Note this down and when it happens youll remeber this post.

But i dont think Floyd is beating Canelo so all this is moot point ayway

[Sugar Adam Ali]

They didn't fight because Pac went and got his ass beat and ktfo.

To be fair, both floyd and manny are to blame,,, both were making too much $$$ fighting other fighters,,,,

I thought the fight would have been made when JMM outboxed manny in the 3rd fight,, manny looked to be slowing alittle bit,,

honestly those guys had from 2009 to 2012 to make this fight,,, they just waited too long, neither camp wanted to take the risk, it didnt have to do with manny getting ko'd... fight wasnt happening,,, both are too blame, its not like the lewis/bowe saga where bowe totally dodged lewis,,, these guys both dodged each other...
Now add in the showtime/hbo alliances and this fight wont happen anytime soon...

I still think it gets made, but it will be after floyd and manny are both no longer on top of their games,,, it will be like holyfield tyson or tyson/lewis.. those fights took years to make and when they happened it was a past prime of each guy

[paul007]

That dude can't name 8-10 fighters that Floyd didn't fight. He can make up 8-10 fighters that he thought Floyd should've fought, but then that would only be an opinion now wouldn't it.

Casamayor, Freitas, Johnston, Tszyu, P. Williams, Mosley (at Lightweight), Margarito, Cotto in 2008, and Pac (2009-2011, even present)...

Go through Floyd's career...there was talk and demand of all these dudes to fight Floyd, but he fought someone else, or went away for 2 years, or took a vacation, or priced himself out of a fight, or something...

Margarito offered him $9mil at the time to fight, which was a lot of money for Floyd, but he fought Baldomir instead for much less...Tszyu was already at HOF credentials, but Floyd went another way, each of these guys is a story...

The next time someone says "Floyd can't help that his era didn't have great fighters in it for him to fight", I'll show them this list and laugh...

[The Big Dunn]

Not sure how this doesn't make sense...but if you and I have 2 points we're arguing, in order to accomplish something, and we agree to point 1 (money) and we disagree on point 2 (testing), then we obviously don't have an agreement.

If we revisit the issue, and I come to terms with point 2 (testing) to make something work, and then you go back and now try to change point 1 (money) on me, obviously that's obviously showing on your part that you don't want this common goal to take place.

Not sure how much more black and white that can be explained...

Thats what manny did in 2009 after floyd agreed to all his demands. Manny refused on PED testing and tried to change the cutoff. SO does that mean IYO he didn't want the fight?

[paul007]

NO ATHLETE SHOULD EVER SAY NO TO TESTING! He put up those red flags himself and they will NEVER go down. His legacy will include it and that i can guarantee. Just wait.

Floyd never priced himself out. 2009 it was 50/50 and Pac should have taken it but instead dropped excuse after excuse and they got more and more ridiculous. But after that 2009 one kept moving forward and the other was trapped by Arum and look at them now.

2010-2011 you mean the Arum clock but Arum doesnt nego through media but he went through media but he doesnt do that but he did and there you go going round and round in the Arum spin like so many Pac fans did.

I agree the 40 mil/100%PPV was crap but its called negotiations by then Pac was telling his countryman to be "filipinos and say i won" while trying to rematch a guy who he "beat" and Floyd saw he wasnt making money like him and 50/50 was off table. Dont care about money but it was part of that one.

Now just wait till Pac beat Rios and he will be begging for a fight and for that 40mil or 60/40. Note this down and when it happens youll remeber this post.

But i dont think Floyd is beating Canelo so all this is moot point ayway

LOL Floyd ****s on Canelo...this is a made-up threat! Floyd has been instrumental in building Canelo as an opponent himself, FOR himself, by letting him on his undercards. Don't think he wasn't planning on leaving Canelo to ripen a little more, to make more money on down the line, he only took this fight now because his money options were limited...

[Fetta]

Casamayor, Freitas, Johnston, Tszyu, P. Williams, Mosley (at Lightweight), Margarito, Cotto in 2008, and Pac (2009-2011, even present)...

Go through Floyd's career...there was talk and demand of all these dudes to fight Floyd, but he fought someone else, or went away for 2 years, or took a vacation, or priced himself out of a fight, or something...

Margarito offered him $9mil at the time to fight, which was a lot of money for Floyd, but he fought Baldomir instead for much less...Tszyu was already at HOF credentials, but Floyd went another way, each of these guys is a story...

The next time someone says "Floyd can't help that his era didn't have great fighters in it for him to fight", I'll show them this list and laugh...

No he didnt fight Margarito so he can buy out his contract and go fight Oscar for much much more money. And Baldomir was lineal Champ at time anyway but i guess since its Floyd that doesnt mean much huh

[paul007]

Thats what manny did in 2009 after floyd agreed to all his demands. Manny refused on PED testing and tried to change the cutoff. SO does that mean IYO he didn't want the fight?

The original cut-off was something like "Manny wanted 14 days before the fight, but Floyd wants 7 days", then when Manny said "okay, 7 days", Floyd says "no, up until the day of"...something to that extent

Any boxer will tell you that they know of SOME boxers who react differently to giving blood...some are sluggish after doing so. Go back and read the history, let's not argue opinions...

[paul007]

No he didnt fight Margarito so he can buy out his contract and go fight Oscar for much much more money. And Baldomir was lineal Champ at time anyway but i guess since its Floyd that doesnt mean much huh

He didn't fight Oscar instead of Margarito, he fought Baldomir...look it up

[Frank Ducketts]

To be fair, both floyd and manny are to blame,,, both were making too much $$$ fighting other fighters,,,,

I thought the fight would have been made when JMM outboxed manny in the 3rd fight,, manny looked to be slowing alittle bit,,

honestly those guys had from 2009 to 2012 to make this fight,,, they just waited too long, neither camp wanted to take the risk, it didnt have to do with manny getting ko'd... fight wasnt happening,,, both are too blame, its not like the lewis/bowe saga where bowe totally dodged lewis,,, these guys both dodged each other...
Now add in the showtime/hbo alliances and this fight wont happen anytime soon...

I still think it gets made, but it will be after floyd and manny are both no longer on top of their games,,, it will be like holyfield tyson or tyson/lewis.. those fights took years to make and when they happened it was a past prime of each guy

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