Can you be considered an ATG when these are your 10 best wins?

[beez721]

Shavers landing that right on Wlad? Probably look something like this >>>>>

the only problem would be he probably wouldnt be able to land it

[LacedUp]

the only problem would be he probably wouldnt be able to land it

Lol. If Peter can knock him down 3 times, Sanders 4 times, Brewster 2 times, Williamson, Panell can knock him down, then I'm pretty sure Shavers could land.

[beez721]

Lol. If Peter can knock him down 3 times, Sanders 4 times, Brewster 2 times, Williamson, Panell can knock him down, then I'm pretty sure Shavers could land.

wlads got much better defensively since those losses. remember shavers didnt have a very good chin either and wlad can also crack and hes a much more accurate puncher than shavers. were all entitled to our opions tho

[LacedUp]

wlads got much better defensively since those losses. remember shavers didnt have a very good chin either and wlad can also crack and hes a much more accurate puncher than shavers. were all entitled to our opions tho

Unquestionably. But he's also fighting worse opponents? Food for thought...

Wlad can crack, but Shavers was more explosive. I'm not saying Shavers would definitely beat Wlad, I just said I'd like to see Wlad take one of his punches as someone criminally remarked that Shavers wouldn't beat Vitali, Wlad, Haye, Povetkin or Pulev which is just ridiculous.

Shavers has about the same amount of good wins as Vitali, and more than Haye, Povetkin and Pulev so it's just fanboy logic.

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Why did I know this was gonna be a thread about Vitali?....

Because the ts most likely got bummed by vitali sometime in his life

[beez721]

Unquestionably. But he's also fighting worse opponents? Food for thought...

Wlad can crack, but Shavers was more explosive. I'm not saying Shavers would definitely beat Wlad, I just said I'd like to see Wlad take one of his punches as someone criminally remarked that Shavers wouldn't beat Vitali, Wlad, Haye, Povetkin or Pulev which is just ridiculous.

Shavers has about the same amount of good wins as Vitali, and more than Haye, Povetkin and Pulev so it's just fanboy logic.

wlad goes to sleep if shavers lands clean. not sure how anyone can debate that. Im just of the opinion that wlad gets to shavers before ernie can land that right hand bomb as wlad is much more accurate and just a better all around technitition but I have no problem with anyone thinking otherwise as shavers was a devastating puncher

[JAB5239]

Vitali " Doktor Eisenfaust" Klitschko is an ATG, end of the discussion.

Ob du es magst oder nicht, ist mir recht regal!

It's only the end of the discussion because you can't debate what I've laid out. Greatness is based on accomplishment and the quality of fighters you beat. If not we might as well say guys like Brian Nielsen are ATG's.

[LacedUp]

It's only the end of the discussion because you can't debate what I've laid out. Greatness is based on accomplishment and the quality of fighters you beat. If not we might as well say guys like Brian Nielsen are ATG's.

Why take a dig at my man Brian Nielsen? He's trying to get in with Botha/Bowe later in the year! haha.

According to Vitali's fans, if's, but's, would have's and could have's makes a fighter great.

[LacedUp]

wlad goes to sleep if shavers lands clean. not sure how anyone can debate that. Im just of the opinion that wlad gets to shavers before ernie can land that right hand bomb as wlad is much more accurate and just a better all around technitition but I have no problem with anyone thinking otherwise as shavers was a devastating puncher

I would tend to agree with that, especially as Shavers unfortunately came up short whenever he stepped up.

I just think it was a funny remark from someone who quite clearly didn't know what he was talking about.

[JAB5239]

Lol, not a single person who voted Vits is an ATG has made an argument as to why that doesn't have to do with make believe fights and how he would fare. You guys need a reality check.