Can you be considered an ATG when these are your 10 best wins?

[r.burgundy]

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If most of his punches were slaps why was he able to back Vits up so often? And even if they were slaps, landing is scoring. Whitaker, Pep, Benitez, Rosenbloom and Locche are just a few of the names that come to mind that won fights without being hard punchers and using defensive skills more than most. It seems you want to penalize Byrd for being 8" shorter, 40 lighter and not being able to hit as hard.




Sorry, but this is just a plain ignorant thing to say since Vittles only landed 8 more punches the entire fight. Do the math, thats less than one more punch a round the entire fight. And defense and ring generalship are making a guy who is MUCH bigger than you miss more than he ever had before or since. Go ahead tell me I'm wrong about that.


Really? I sure would be interested to see where you dug that stat up from. Do you have a link or are you just blindly throwing that number out there? I favor aggression as well, but it isn't the end all in boxing.



Get it through your head, winning close round does not mean you're dominating. And punch stats certainly tell more about a fight than the scorecards. Doesn't really matter though because I've actually watched the fight several times and had Vits up at the time of quittage either 7-2 or 6-3. With that said I also know the rounds were fairly close in many stanza's and Vittles in no way, shape or form dominated. It would seem the majority who have weighed in on this agree with me as well. And none of this changes the FACT that Byrd was highly ranked along side him and avenging his quit job would have undoubtedly helped his resume....which is and has been the point of this thread.

byrd was "backing" vitali up so often because vits understands that he needs a certain distance to be effective lol.he uses movement in every fight.i penalize byrd for not throwing,and defense doesnt score points.
doesnt matter if it was 1 punch.vits were harder and cleaner.

he was making vits miss but was hardly throwing anything,or countering.merchant talked about his lack of countering in the fight

just because a fight is competitive,doesnt mean that it wasnt 1 sided.domination means that the fight wasnt close at all.which it wasnt

he took 4 years off.when he came back byrd was pretty much done.so i dont know where your getting this side by side thing from.and chris byrd isnt making or breaking anybodys resume.if he beat byrd that night,or in a rematch,this thread would have been made regardless

[jackson8]

98 to 26 in vote. The referee should stop this debate. I don't see how anybody can have Vitali in their top twenty heavyweights personally.

[New England]

Why, another will just replace it. There has been some good back and forth since I put the trolls who don't want to talk boxing but instead flame on ignore.

no, there hasn't. there's been a lot of embarrassment, though.

[JAB5239]

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byrd was "backing" vitali up so often because vits understands that he needs a certain distance to be effective lol.he uses movement in every fight.

Problem is he was backing him up while punching him in the face.

i penalize byrd for not throwing,and defense doesnt score points.
doesnt matter if it was 1 punch.vits were harder and cleaner.

Vits did land harder, because he's the much bigger guy. Again, you're trying to penalize Byrd because he is the smaller man. And It doesn't matter how often you throw if you're landing at the same rate as your opponent. “ring generalship” comprised "such points as the ability to quickly grasp and take advantage of every opportunity offered, the capacity to cope with all kinds of situations which may arise; to foresee and neutralize an opponent’s method of attack; to force an opponent to adopt a style of boxing at which he is not particularly skillful."

he was making vits miss but was hardly throwing anything,or countering.merchant talked about his lack of countering in the fight

Maybe because he was giving up 8" and 45lbs? In the flip side we can say Vittles was slipping or blocking any punches. Why not?

just because a fight is competitive,doesnt mean that it wasnt 1 sided.domination means that the fight wasnt close at all.which it wasnt

You obviously haven't watched the fight because it was close in spite of the score cards. So much so the German fans were cheering for Byrd.

he took 4 years off.when he came back byrd was pretty much done.so i dont know where your getting this side by side thing from.

2002 Byrd was ranked #2, Vits #7. 2003 Vits was ranked #1, Byrd #2. 2003 Vits was the champ, Byrd was rated #1.....As Ranked by "The Ring". Guess you learn something new everyday, eh kid?

and chris byrd isnt making or breaking anybodys resume.if he beat byrd that night,or in a rematch,this thread would have been made regardless

Lol, Byrd is easily the second best fighter Vittles ever fought. Only a fool would think a win over him wouldn't enhance Vits res. You're right though about one thing, this thread probably would have been made anyway seeing as to how weak Vits resume is and given all the fighters he didn't fight.

[JAB5239]

no, there hasn't. there's been a lot of embarrassment, though.

Well I truly am sorry if Klit fans are embarrassed. If you don't like the thread though my friend just don't click onto it.

[BattlingNelson]

Has Jab posted his list of heavyweights ranked above Vitali yet, or is he still a gutless, yellow coward?

[r.burgundy]

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Problem is he was backing him up while punching him in the face.


Vits did land harder, because he's the much bigger guy. Again, you're trying to penalize Byrd because he is the smaller man. And It doesn't matter how often you throw if you're landing at the same rate as your opponent. “ring generalship” comprised "such points as the ability to quickly grasp and take advantage of every opportunity offered, the capacity to cope with all kinds of situations which may arise; to foresee and neutralize an opponent’s method of attack; to force an opponent to adopt a style of boxing at which he is not particularly skillful."



Maybe because he was giving up 8" and 45lbs? In the flip side we can say Vittles was slipping or blocking any punches. Why not?


You obviously haven't watched the fight because it was close in spite of the score cards. So much so the German fans were cheering for Byrd.



2002 Byrd was ranked #2, Vits #7. 2003 Vits was ranked #1, Byrd #2. 2003 Vits was the champ, Byrd was rated #1.....As Ranked by "The Ring". Guess you learn something new everyday, eh kid?



Lol, Byrd is easily the second best fighter Vittles ever fought. Only a fool would think a win over him wouldn't enhance Vits res. You're right though about one thing, this thread probably would have been made anyway seeing as to how weak Vits resume is and given all the fighters he didn't fight.

if he was punching him in the face so much then why was he outlanded and lost damn near every round lol
i guess you dont know that germans hate russians lol

you keep trying to angle for some cheap semantic lol.chris byrd says vits was winning,your opinion on the fight doesnt matter.the score had byrd winning 1 round.thats a dominate performance.punchstats and your opinion are irrelevant

in 2003 vits fought lewis and kirk johnson lol.those are both bigger and tougher fights than byrd.this is really just highlighting the fact you are trying to reach for anything lol

i didnt say it wouldnt enhance it,i just said it wasnt making or breaking anything

[JAB5239]

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if he was punching him in the face so much then why was he outlanded and lost damn near every round lol

By less than a punch a round with huge advantages in reach, height and weight? That nothing to write home about.

i guess you dont know that germans hate russians lol

Is that why the Klits consistently sell out German stadiums?

you keep trying to angle for some cheap semantic lol.chris byrd says vits was winning,your opinion on the fight doesnt matter.the score had byrd winning 1 round.thats a dominate performance.punchstats and your opinion are irrelevant

It was a little more than that, but you would have had to watch the fight to know this. And the fact remains it was no domination as you've tried to pass off.

in 2003 vits fought lewis and kirk johnson lol.those are both bigger and tougher fights than byrd.this is really just highlighting the fact you are trying to reach for anything lol

Im highlighting the fact you didn't know they were ranked so closely for 3 years, yet Vits never sought a rematch after quitting.

i didnt say it wouldnt enhance it,i just said it wasnt making or breaking anything

So it would in fact make his resume better, right?

[JAB5239]

Has Jab posted his list of heavyweights ranked above Vitali yet, or is he still a gutless, yellow coward?

Still trolling eh fairy man? Im post my list as soon as you post yours and links to where I ever ridiculed any poster saying they had Vits just outside their top 25. We know that won't happen though because you're a liar.

How about that poll result though, huh? I wonder, do all those people who voted no, do they all have an agenda?

[r.burgundy]

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By less than a punch a round with huge advantages in reach, height and weight? That nothing to write home about.





Is that why the Klits consistently sell out German stadiums?




It was a little more than that, but you would have had to watch the fight to know this. And the fact remains it was no domination as you've tried to pass off.



Im highlighting the fact you didn't know they were ranked so closely for 3 years, yet Vits never sought a rematch after quitting.



So it would in fact make his resume better, right?

nor is byrd only being outlanded by 8 punches being anything to write home about

try and learn some history outside of boxing.germany has a huge russian population.if your curious to the animosity,start with wwII

it was 89-82 on 1 card and 88-83 on 2 cards.i gave byrd rounds 3 and 4 and that was it

1 of the years you highlighted,a rematch wasnt possible lol