Can you be considered an ATG when these are your 10 best wins?

[JAB5239]

look at the pacquio/marquez fights,they got easier and easier for marquez,look at floyd/castillo,lewis/rahman.list goes on and on.ali is not some invincible guy lol.beating him is not some other worldly accomplishment.i thought norton killed ali in the 3rd fight

im pretty good with english.i didnt know more was defined as better lol.look up the definition.thats a fact.

This is such ridiculous reasoning because you're only looking at one side of the coin. You say they got easier for one fighter, does it not getting harder for the other fighter factor in to the equation?

[r.burgundy]

This is such ridiculous reasoning because you're only looking at one side of the coin. You say they got easier for one fighter, does it not getting harder for the other fighter factor in to the equation?

the point is that the more opponents become familiar with each other,the easier it is to fight them.this is why guys study film on fighters they havent fought

[JAB5239]

the point is that the more opponents become familiar with each other,the easier it is to fight them.this is why guys study film on fighters they havent fought

This makes no sense. Why does it only get easier for one guy? Don't both guys watch film of each other?

[JAB5239]

1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Jack Johnson
4. Larry Holmes
5. Sonny Liston
6. Lennox Lewis
7. George Foreman
8. Mike Tyson
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Rocky Marciano

11. Joe Frazier
12. Harry Wills
13. Jack Dempsey
14. Jim Jeffries
15. Ezzard Charles
17. Sam Langford
18. Wladimir Klitschko
19. Joe Walcott
20. Max Schmeling


Here's a list of 20 heavyweights. Where does Vits fit in resume-wise against this group?

[BattlingNelson]

1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Jack Johnson
4. Larry Holmes
5. Sonny Liston
6. Lennox Lewis
7. George Foreman
8. Mike Tyson
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Rocky Marciano

11. Joe Frazier
12. Harry Wills
13. Jack Dempsey
14. Jim Jeffries
15. Ezzard Charles
17. Sam Langford
18. Wladimir Klitschko
19. Joe Walcott
20. Max Schmeling


Here's a list of 20 heavyweights. Where does Vits fit in resume-wise against this group?

So top 20 is the cut-off?

[JAB5239]

So top 20 is the cut-off?

20. 25. 50. Whatever floats your boat. Lets say it is 20, does Vits get in with his resume?

[BattlingNelson]

20. 25. 50. Whatever floats your boat. Lets say it is 20, does Vits get in with his resume?

For the purpose of this thread, we need to know if its 20, 30 or 100.

Is it YOUR list BTW or is it just A list of the top 20?

[JAB5239]

For the purpose of this thread, we need to know if its 20, 30 or 100.

Is it YOUR list BTW or is it just A list of the top 20?

Lets call it 20 since that's what the IBRO goes by. Does it really matter though? I asked a question based on personal opinion. You've chosen to troll this thread because you don't like that opinion. You're an educated boxing fan, you may rank him 18th. While I may not agree I don't have any serious issues with it like I would the bozo's who rank him top 10 all time. So the question remains....based on his resume do YOU think he's an ATG?

[JAB5239]

And yes, that is my list from a few years back.

[yoz]

Wladimir is definitely a top 15 HW.

This alone gets him in: