Leo Santa Cruz vs. Abner Mares

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  • -MAKAVELLI-
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    #21
    Originally posted by kiaba360
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    I really like Santa Cruz, but he hasn't fought a real threat yet. Terrazas is his first step-up and it should answer some questions.



    yea...but it's hard to ignore that potential...that kid is a beast

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    • Aztekkas
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      #22
      I hope it's made later on down the road. At the moment LSC needs some more polishing. Alberto Guevara showed some holes in LSC's strat, which could cause him trouble vs a more experienced fighter. Regardless, im a HUGE Biased fan of both. Sue me...

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      • mconstantine
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        #23
        Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1520
        It's not ridiculous because I know boxing, and pressure is a mother ***er to deal with. I don't think people understand how good this kid really is. His defense is amazing when you consider the style he uses.

        He catches and counters so well, it's scary. His stamina is Marg like and he has no weak punches. His jab, left hook and right hand are a terror.

        I'm telling you, Santa Cruz is going to be a lb for lb fighter real soon.
        Counter punchers who can crack like Rigo and Donaire LOVE pressure fighters. It gives them more opportunities to make them pay. Santa Cruz has a very tight D so Rigo and Donaire would likely catch a lot of gloves, but they'd probably barely let Santa Cruz get off. His ONLY short coming is he needs guys to stand in front of him and neither Rigo or Donaire going to do that...and Mares has shown enough versatility with boxing that he probably wouldn't either.

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        • Doctor_Tenma
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          #24
          Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1520
          It's not ridiculous because I know boxing, and pressure is a mother ***er to deal with. I don't think people understand how good this kid really is. His defense is amazing when you consider the style he uses.

          He catches and counters so well, it's scary. His stamina is Marg like and he has no weak punches. His jab, left hook and right hand are a terror.

          I'm telling you, Santa Cruz is going to be a beast.
          Can he smother Rigondeaux, does he even have the foot speed to compete, is his chin up for the task, too many unanswered questions. He hasn't faced the kind of opposition that would tell me otherwise, then again there ain't anything remotely close to a Rigondeaux.

          Santa Cruz will also be in front of Donaire, does he have the physical strength to push Donaire back, can he neutralize the counter left hook, or avoid some of Donaire's other weapons like the uppercut or overhand right? Lets remember he has a wider arsenal of punches when you stand in front of him.


          I'll wait this one out...

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          • bojangles1987
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            #25
            Man I hope Santa Cruz ends up being legit. He looks like the real deal to me, but you never know. I don't think there's a more fun fighter in the sport to watch. He throws so much yet every single shot is accurate and has some real snap. And he has a jab.

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              #26
              Originally posted by bojangles1987
              Man I hope Santa Cruz ends up being legit. He looks like the real deal to me, but you never know. I don't think there's a more fun fighter in the sport to watch. He throws so much yet every single shot is accurate and has some real snap. And he has a jab.


              on the undercard for that Floyd-Ghost fight, i told some of the casuals 'just check out this kid's energy and stamina'


              dude doesn't stop...LOVE watching him put in work

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              • Cuauhtémoc1520
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                #27
                Originally posted by mconstantine
                Counter punchers who can crack like Rigo and Donaire LOVE pressure fighters. It gives them more opportunities to make them pay. Santa Cruz has a very tight D so Rigo and Donaire would likely catch a lot of gloves, but they'd probably barely let Santa Cruz get off. His ONLY short coming is he needs guys to stand in front of him and neither Rigo or Donaire going to do that...and Mares has shown enough versatility with boxing that he probably wouldn't either.
                They haven't seen the type of pressure that Santa Cruz brings. It all depends, you could be right but I have no doubt that Cruz will touch both of them often and early. His left hook to the body alone is a great weapon to slow guys like that down.

                Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma
                Can he smother Rigondeaux, does he even have the foot speed to compete, is his chin up for the task, too many unanswered questions. He hasn't faced the kind of opposition that would tell me otherwise, then again there ain't anything remotely close to a Rigondeaux.

                Santa Cruz will also be in front of Donaire, does he have the physical strength to push Donaire back, can he neutralize the counter left hook, or avoid some of Donaire's other weapons like the uppercut or overhand right? Lets remember he has a wider arsenal of punches when you stand in front of him.


                I'll wait this one out...
                Fair enough, I'm just excited about the clash of styles and what Cruz brings.

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                • The Big Dunn
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by mconstantine
                  Who wins?

                  Let's hear it.

                  Sidenote: I LOVE THIS FIGHT!
                  me too. I think i'd go with Mares right now because I think he has the size and has fought better fighters.

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                  • kiaba360
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                    #29
                    If there's any prospect/contender today that I hope ends up reaching his potential, it has to be Santa Cruz. He has a very enjoyable style and he's technically sound, so it's the best of both worlds.

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                    • sicko
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                      #30
                      I actually thought they was fighting each other when they had their Press Conference but that is not the case instead they are just fight on the same card. That is good news for Leo because I don't think he is ready for Abner JUST YET. But clearly GBP is working to make that a Huge Match Up by putting them on the same card.

                      But right now I like Mares beats Leo Santa Cruz, too seasoned and too battle tested Leo at the moment. I would actually like to see Leon take on some of Mares Previous Opponents like Chemito Moreno, Joseph Agbeko, Ponce De Leon and guys like that before jumping in with Mares

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