If margs didn't have illegal wraps vs Cotto would Miguel still b undefeated?

[El Angel]

I know. That guy is generally a good poster, but that post he dropped was just basura.

I've been on your bad side for a few days now That fight was supposed to be next, Cotto wins, fight De La Hoya in megafight in December. Cotto would've beaten Oscar, as he looked terrible and would've lost to most fighters that night.

Maybe I shouldn't have stated he would've been the star Pacquiao became, but his career would've taken an entirely different trajectory. Bigger than he is now, which is the still the 3rd largest draw in the sport.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Nobody going into that fight though Mosley had a real chance and were fearing for his life, I remember more than one person saying they were afraid that could happen. Mosley did not show the same ability against Mayorga that he did in the fight previous to Margarito and right after Cotto.

I feel pretty confident in saying that Margarito took Mosley's age and recent performance into consideration as well before chosing him in his first fight after his biggest victory. His style is more problematic for Margarito than Cotto was/is, but I highly doubt Margarito would have picked him if he had annihilated Mayorga in 3 rounds and looked great doing it.

The Cotto fight was bigger than the Mosley fight and Margarito's chance at the big time. He wasn't gonna be denied again, by any means necessary.

What a surprise! Yet more misinformation. Margarito didn't choose Mosley, the fight was virtually forced upon him.

The Cotto fight was an easier fight for Margarito because he knew he could break Miguel's spirit.

As for why he....well actually Capetillo.....may have tried to load his gloves against Mosley - its well documented that Margarito struggled badly to get down to 147 for that fight. He partied hard after the Cotto win and had noticeable gained a lot of weight at the press conferences and throughout his training camp, they were using a faulty scale that showed him being two lbs heavier than he actually was. He looked pretty drained at the weigh in and came in at 145. Remember that he took a lot of punishment in the Cotto fight too, he probably wasn't in the best condition.

[El Angel]

What a surprise! Yet more misinformation. Margarito didn't choose Mosley, the fight was virtually forced upon him.

The Cotto fight was an easier fight for Margarito because he knew he could break Miguel's spirit.

As for why he....well actually Capetillo.....may have tried to load his gloves against Mosley - its well documented that Margarito struggled badly to get down to 147 for that fight. He partied hard after the Cotto win and had noticeable gained a lot of weight at the press conferences and throughout his training camp, they were using a faulty scale that showed him being two lbs heavier than he actually was. He looked pretty drained at the weigh in and came in at 145. Remember that he took a lot of punishment in the Cotto fight too, he probably wasn't in the best condition.

I though they wanted this fight for big money against a past prime fighter? Maybe my memory is wrong.

I do remember people saying he had to drop a lot of weight for the Mosley fight and that he didn't look great, but I've always thought he started loading his gloves in the Golden Johnson fight, the fight right after he came under so much fire for starting to slow and letting the fight get away from him against Paul Williams.. He came out like a monster and destroyed Johnson, who I'm not saying was that good at that point in his career, but he started much faster and had a lot of faith in his power.

[STREET CLEANER]

he squeaked by an old ass Mosley and got beaten by Margarito. GET OVER IT

The same Mosley that years later KOed Margo

[El Angel]

The same Margo that years later KOed Margo

Might want to edit this mate.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I though they wanted this fight for big money against a past prime fighter? Maybe my memory is wrong.

Margarito wanted the Oscar fight but Oscar went back on his word and ducked him. Instead, he sent in Shane to do his dirty work for him. Margarito was not enthused about the Shane fight at all. He had just had the biggest payday in boxing against Oscar taken away from him.

I do remember people saying he had to drop a lot of weight for the Mosley fight and that he didn't look great, but I've always thought he started loading his gloves in the Golden Johnson fight, the fight right after he came under so much fire for starting to slow and letting the fight get away from him against Paul Williams.. He came out like a monster and destroyed Johnson, who I'm not saying was that good at that point in his career, but he started much faster and had a lot of faith in his power.

Or maybe he just made a conscious effort to start faster? If he was loading his gloves against Johnson and it only took a round to dispatch him why did it take so long to get Cotto out of there? Unless this is more arrogance/delusion to say Cotto has some ATG chin

[JoeKidd]

He was always a bit slow for the elite guys. He needed a good promoter to get him the proper matchups to make him a demi god. Comes to fight though!

[El Angel]

Margarito wanted the Oscar fight but Oscar went back on his word and ducked him. Instead, he sent in Shane to do his dirty work for him. Margarito was not enthused about the Shane fight at all. He had just had the biggest payday in boxing against Oscar taken away from him.

Or maybe he just made a conscious effort to start faster? If he was loading his gloves against Johnson and it only took a round to dispatch him why did it take so long to get Cotto out of there? Unless this is more arrogance/delusion to say Cotto has some ATG chin

To the bold, that's Margarito did to Cotto.

I though Oscar was going to fight Cotto if Cotto won, not the the winner of Cotto-Margarito I necessarily.

An ATG chin? No, but it's not nearly as fucking bad as some posters make it out to be. He's gotten buzzed several times, but he's been knocked down only by Torres, Pacquiao, and Margarito. He was hurt against Torres, but Torres pulled him down to actually get the KD. Against Margarito, he took two knees, not going down from the actual force of the shot. Going down against Pacquiao, one of the hardest hitters of all time? Yeah his chin is not that bad.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

To the bold, that's Margarito did to Cotto.

I though Oscar was going to fight Cotto if Cotto won, not the the winner of Cotto-Margarito I necessarily.

An ATG chin? No, but it's not nearly as fucking bad as some posters make it out to be. He's gotten buzzed several times, but he's been knocked down only by Torres, Pacquiao, and Margarito. He was hurt against Torres, but Torres pulled him down to actually get the KD. Against Margarito, he took two knees, not going down from the actual force of the shot. Going down against Pacquiao, one of the hardest hitters of all time? Yeah his chin is not that bad.

Margarito took it by beating Cotto in the ring. He got the Oscar fight taken away from him by politics and things outside the ring. Oscar promised to fight the winner.

His chin may not be that bad but it's not so great that he'd take 11 rounds of plaster bashing before going down. Also isn't the story that Margarito's wraps would take time to harden? How come he KO'd Johnson in 1 then? He also busted Miguel's nose in the 2nd round if I remember right.

[El Angel]

Margarito took it by beating Cotto in the ring. He got the Oscar fight taken away from him by politics and things outside the ring. Oscar promised to fight the winner.

His chin may not be that bad but it's not so great that he'd take 11 rounds of plaster bashing before going down. Also isn't the story that Margarito's wraps would take time to harden? How come he KO'd Johnson in 1 then? He also busted Miguel's nose in the 2nd round if I remember right.

Okay, so taken away from him in that sense, I get that.

If Margarito was busting him with a lot of shots in every single round like Johnson, Cotto wouldn't have lasted as long. He evaded Margarito for the first half of the fight or so, but when he tired, that's when he started getting touched a lot. Which matches up when the wraps would harden more.

Did he break his nose in the 2nd? If he did, he landed a well placed shot, doesn't mean the plaster wasn't hardened or in the process of.