My detailed break down of the issues Pacquaio could have given Floyd.

[SoulByThePound]

if mayweather vs pacman is the record biggest paydays nd will set record ppv numbers, all while floyds nickname is MONEY. than its almost common sense why they didnt fight. get it now?

If you cant figure it out with all the **** arum has said then you are a freaking idiot

1"We have no interest in working with Golden Boy" - Bob Arum, November 14, 2012

2."De La Hoya Wants to Work with Arum but Won't Beg"


3."Arum: "Pacquiao Will Never Face a Golden Boy Fighter!"


4."It's very personal between Pacquiao and Golden Boy. He's got a pending lawsuit against the promoter and until the suit is settled or GBP apologizes, Pacman won't be fighting anyone who work with Oscar De La Hoya's promotion."-bob arum

5.Pacquiao vs Mayweather: Alex Ariza Blasts Bob Arum For Not Making the Fight(BLH)

6.Blame Arum for no Pac-Floyd fight(ESPN)
7.Arum: 'The fight's off'(ESPN)

8. When Mayweather was supposed to go to jail last week, Arum talked about Pacquiao fighting on May 5 to take the spot of Mayweather. The next day, when Mayweather's sentence was delayed, Arum said Pacquiao would probably have to fight in June, blaming that on a cut Pacquiao suffered in his November majority decision win against Juan Manuel Marquez as the reason -- even though a cut taking more than six months to heal is unheard of.

Arum's list of possible opponents for Pacquiao did not include Mayweather. Rather, it includes a rematch with junior middleweight titlist Miguel Cotto, whom Pacquiao stopped in the 12th round of a 2009 welterweight title bout; Marquez, for a fourth time; or a fight with junior welterweight titleholders Lamont Peterson or Timothy Bradley Jr.

After Mayweather's sentence was delayed, Arum said he was not interested in talking to Pacquiao about fighting Mayweather in May.

"We're fighting in June, one of the four guys," Arum told ESPN.com last week. "My mission is to go over to the Philippines and talk about these four guys. If Manny feels he wants to go in May, he will tell me. I want to make sure Manny's cuts are healed. We won't fall under this kind of pressure. June is much more likely for Manny's fight, not May."
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...yweather-fight

9.ALEX ARIZA: "ARUM IS A GREEDY PIG...BOB IS THE ONE INTERFERING" (FH)

[puga]

No I do not remember floyd offering to fight at 140 at all. I remember hatton callin floyd out after the Castillo fight and demanding it to be at 140 and floyd said no way you called out me so 147. Also there is no way floyd can make 140 he couldn't make the jmm catch weight and to say that floyd had things going on at ww and jmw then why did he fight a light weight? In your last paragraph you explain how triangle theories don't work but then pretty much disregard that due to styles and long story short make marquez a viable comparison and oscar not, again selective triangle theory?

thats coz it did'nt happen ..you hear this **** a lot but it's amde up **** by the floyd f@660t @ss suckers.. " a natural 140 lber wanting to fight at 147 when he looked like **** at 147 prior"?...lol flowmoes have no common sense...

[littlemac]

The only issues Pacquie could give Floyd would be in court were Pacquie elected to go instead in hiding behind Arum and not have meet Floyd in the ring. I guess Pacquie rather get stretched out by a light weight for pea nuts compared what Floyd would have offered Pacquie. Hope Pacquie doesn't get put to sleep again by another light weight cherry pick

[Flash13]

I get it. Triangle theory's don't apply when they make Pacquie look bad. Lets all just focus on how Pacquie did a better job against the older versions that Floyd fought

Obviously you are illiterate because I'm saying if your going to use triangle theories use them all not just marquez like you f10m0s like to do. I'm actually objective about things.

[littlemac]

Obviously you are illiterate because I'm saying if your going to use triangle theories use them all not just marquez like you f10m0s like to do. I'm actually objective about things.

Sure your being objective. Paccturds having a funny concept on being objective like when it comes to testing, CWs, and triangle theory's I hope things go a bit better with his next light weight cherry pick

[ADP02]

pac does not have the reach to fight mayweather. it is as simple as that.

but he beat the taller Oscar .... so that knocks down this simple theory right out of the window!

[SoulByThePound]

Sure your being objective. Paccturds having a funny concept on being objective like when it comes to testing, CWs, and triangle theory's I hope things go a bit better with his next light weight cherry pick

This........................

[ADP02]

If you cant figure it out with all the **** arum has said then you are a freaking idiot

1"We have no interest in working with Golden Boy" - Bob Arum, November 14, 2012

2."De La Hoya Wants to Work with Arum but Won't Beg"


3."Arum: "Pacquiao Will Never Face a Golden Boy Fighter!"


4."It's very personal between Pacquiao and Golden Boy. He's got a pending lawsuit against the promoter and until the suit is settled or GBP apologizes, Pacman won't be fighting anyone who work with Oscar De La Hoya's promotion."-bob arum

5.Pacquiao vs Mayweather: Alex Ariza Blasts Bob Arum For Not Making the Fight(BLH)

6.Blame Arum for no Pac-Floyd fight(ESPN)
7.Arum: 'The fight's off'(ESPN)

8. When Mayweather was supposed to go to jail last week, Arum talked about Pacquiao fighting on May 5 to take the spot of Mayweather. The next day, when Mayweather's sentence was delayed, Arum said Pacquiao would probably have to fight in June, blaming that on a cut Pacquiao suffered in his November majority decision win against Juan Manuel Marquez as the reason -- even though a cut taking more than six months to heal is unheard of.

Arum's list of possible opponents for Pacquiao did not include Mayweather. Rather, it includes a rematch with junior middleweight titlist Miguel Cotto, whom Pacquiao stopped in the 12th round of a 2009 welterweight title bout; Marquez, for a fourth time; or a fight with junior welterweight titleholders Lamont Peterson or Timothy Bradley Jr.

After Mayweather's sentence was delayed, Arum said he was not interested in talking to Pacquiao about fighting Mayweather in May.

"We're fighting in June, one of the four guys," Arum told ESPN.com last week. "My mission is to go over to the Philippines and talk about these four guys. If Manny feels he wants to go in May, he will tell me. I want to make sure Manny's cuts are healed. We won't fall under this kind of pressure. June is much more likely for Manny's fight, not May."
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...yweather-fight

9.ALEX ARIZA: "ARUM IS A GREEDY PIG...BOB IS THE ONE INTERFERING" (FH)

Sorry to tell you but the above is a load of BS. Most of the above is taken out of context.

To begin with, Oscar apologized to Arum/Manny in 2011 but Arum had stated that Manny fighting Floyd had nothing to do with Oscar and that fight can take place!

That other stuff was Arum hoping to get a deal with Floyd without Oscar being part of it. So again, had NOTHING to do with not wanting the Floyd fight.

Finally, I can present you with links where both Arum and Manny said that they were OK with fighting in May if Floyd will accept 50/50. Manny even said the cut is fine. The reason that fight didn't happen was because Floyd put out another roadblock stating "Oh, by the way, I no longer want 50/50. I want ALL PPV money"

[Flash13]

The reason that fight didn't happen was because Floyd put out another roadblock stating "Oh, by the way, I no longer want 50/50. I want ALL PPV money"

Yup and that's when I became an official floyd hater... It was such a blatant duck I mean I still don't understand how his fans can justify that.... I liked floyd until that moment.

[LoadedWraps]

This is a very long read and I will love detailed contributions and not just random troll posts.




I often feel that one of the biggest misconceptions in boxing is how Marquez defeating Pacquaio=Floyd defeating Pacquaio.

They are completely different fighters who set up their counters completely differently.


First off, the key for Marquez against Pacquiao has always been his constant lateral movement. Not only does he constantly sway at a low center of gravity while rotating away from Pac's left, but he pivots out of range and changes the angle after landing an attack, or even in the middle of an exchange, to completely confuse Pacquiao and take away his ability to take the initiative with his amazingly swift footwork. He does this so much so that in the second half of the fight, he caught Pacquiao with a left hook pretty much behind the head because of how he was able to laterally shift away from an oncoming Manny.



Mayweather on the other hand is a more conventional "slick" counter-puncher who relies on his control of distance to anticipate and neutralize his opponent. While he's brilliant in reading his opponent and measuring his own punches against their own, he usually does this either going straight backwards or straight forwards, with efficient footwork. He has habituated himself to fighting in straight lines in order to land his favorite punches; lead right hands, pull-counters, jabs to the body, counter or lead left hooks, or counter-right uppercuts when swarmed. But one thing Mayweather almost never shows is the type of lateral movement Marquez shows. I can point to the De La Hoya fight (which I thought he won) for evidence of this habit. De La Hoya, while still game, had an offensive gameplan that relied a lot on mere feints and swarms of activity to back Floyd up, and he usually did so with no problem. Even after Mayweather adjusted to his rhythm and started winning rounds, he hardly ever looked impressive and was backing up consistently without ever shifting towards a laterally-minded gameplan. Wouldn't that have made things easier for him instead of constantly giving up the center and having to retreat to the ropes to counter before escaping? Someone with the style of Hopkins (as in VS Pavlik), for example, would prefer such tactics, and Floyd seems to prefer seeing his opponent right in front of him, positioning himself right in front.




This leads into my second point, which is that Marquez's movement allows him to get Pacquiao on the inside and punish him. As an in-the-pocket counter-puncher, Marquez can duck under and find himself body-to-body with pacquiao and take advantage of his unpolished inside game. Uppercuts, combinations, and even spots of controlled aggression (before pivoting out) are something that he can do because of his relatively similar size to Pacquiao.







Now, while people point to Mayweather's reach giving Pacquiao issues, I don't believe he'll be able to use it to control Pacquiao if he shows his regular movement. Floyd's accurate and reflexive, but his defensive stance by nature anchors his back foot to the canvas, and allows someone as fleet-footed as Pacquiao to change the punching angle and capitalize for an offensive opportunity.

Fighting in straight lines is not the way to beat Pacquiao; you have to take away the punching angle, and I don't think at all that Floyd can circle as well as he can back-pedal.

On top of all of this is tempo. While Marquez was able to control pace from time to time, he was still able to fluidly exchange with Pacquiao and see the angles in order to time the better shots while rolling with Pac's own. Mayweather, as skilled and tough and intuitive as he is, has not shown this quality in abundance. The times he's been hurt actually, have been times he's over-committed to his own punches (Corely, Judah, Mosley). He can adjust brilliantly round-to-round, but as controversial as it may sound, I feel he lacks this sort of intangible fluidity Marquez has in his approach. Floyd can counter for 3 rounds and then come forward for 7, while Marquez can switch between momentary aggressor and counter-puncher several times within the same round.

Mayweather's great ability still gives him a logical avenue for victory- but don't think for a second that Pacquiao's own skills and physical gifts are a puzzle easily solved by a majority of elite boxers that necessarily bunch both Mayweather and Marquez together.

Styles (NOT labels) make fights, and Marquez and Mayweather are nearly night and day when it comes to applying their craft.

Reported and K'd. Dupe troll.