Is it legal what PBF does with his elbows and forearm?

[Downy_tax]

First you mention fighters who did something wrong and say it was bad ..... no problem.

but

then you say what Floyd does is OK even though it's illegal. That is nonsense!

Go check out the Castillo vs Floyd fight .... the ref was warning Floyd throughout the fight and even got deducted a point.

I didn't say a fighter did anything bad, I said people support fighters like Erik Morales and Antonio Margarito two people that blatantly cheats and yet praises them for doing those things. Yet are reaching to blast Floyd for techniques that aren't particularly legal or illegal.

What Floyd does is not exactly illegal, if he used his elbow as a strike then yes it's illegal but he never uses it in that manner.

That ref in the castillo fight was a very subpar ref, not only in the castillo fight but in every fight he reffed on tv.

[Light_Speed]

Intentional you think or just landed in an area that was not legal?

When you're in a clinch and you throw a looping punch, of course you intend to hit your opponent behind the head. This can't be a serious question.

[Public_Enemy]

Listen to Harold Lederman at 19:40. Take it for what it's worth.

Most fighters do things that push the limits of the rule book. This occurs in practically every sport.

Good post, i'd trust Harold's opinion over the average fight fan.

Lederman is a credible source. I'm surprised no one mentioned this before. It's a tough issue though but I wouldn't expect a well schooled fighter to purposely cheat. I would, however, expect a fighter to know the rules and push them to the limit and take advantage where possible.

[Humean]

Every great fighter there has ever been has broken and bent the rules to gain an advantage, Mayweather is no different in that regard. It is a bit annoying that referees rarely call him out on his use of the elbow and forearm though, it should at least be more consistently recognized by referees during his fights that he is doing it. Using a Hatton fight to indicate the illegal practices of his opponent is about as ironical as it gets. If the queensberry rules were applied in the most puritanical way possible then Hatton would not have had a boxing career and neither would most fighters. Hatton was more than competent at the dark arts of boxing.

It is up to Mayweather's opponents to mention the forearm and elbow as much as possible leading up to the fight, as well as during, bombarding the referee with such complaints.

[Build That Wall]

Its called the Shoulder roll. James Toney did it, and mayweather and broner use the shoulder roll.

[junior gong]

I think its a pretty cowardly way to fight.

[Chuckguy]

Absolutely not, and it wasn't legal what Broner was doing in the Malignaggi fight either.

However, the officials protect the money (excuse the pun) so they get away with it.

No it's not legal neither was the grappling and UFC wwe moves that Hatton used. But money talks and Floyd brings it and so did Hatton

[ADP02]

When you're in a clinch and you throw a looping punch, of course you intend to hit your opponent behind the head. This can't be a serious question.

You had brought up the Manny fight vs Hatton. Maybe there was a specific punch that I can't remember that you would have to point me to ..... but from what I saw, the action was intense and so was the movement (especially by Manny). When a fighter comes in while the opponent is simultaneously throwing a punch, there is a possibility that the punch ends up lower than expected. You are calling that intentional. I saw it as stated above.

When Hatton got deducted a point against Floyd, that was a bad call.

[ADP02]

I didn't say a fighter did anything bad, I said people support fighters like Erik Morales and Antonio Margarito two people that blatantly cheats and yet praises them for doing those things. Yet are reaching to blast Floyd for techniques that aren't particularly legal or illegal.

What Floyd does is not exactly illegal, if he used his elbow as a strike then yes it's illegal but he never uses it in that manner.

That ref in the castillo fight was a very subpar ref, not only in the castillo fight but in every fight he reffed on tv.

I agree that that ref was not great but on Floyd's move, he had it right.

Floyd was warned numerous times then was deducted a point for continuing to use his elbow. Did the commentators or anyone disagree? No!

[bose]

Listen to Harold Lederman at 19:40. Take it for what it's worth.

Most fighters do things that push the limits of the rule book. This occurs in practically every sport.

Was this fight at lightweight? He looks like a small fighter there compared to the welterweight of today.

Messed up he never fought Tszyu.