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  • Bigg Rigg
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    #11
    Originally posted by David Banner
    I think real boxing fans appreciate his anyltical and surgical approach to each and every win. As a big Wlad fan I would rather see him dominate than take undue chances.
    Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate a technician like Rigo, Floyd and those type if guys but its hard to see a big strong heavyweight like Wlad fighting the type of fight. I wanna see the heavyweights try to kill each other.

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      #12
      Originally posted by Big Rigg
      Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate a technician like Rigo, Floyd and those type if guys but its hard to see a big strong heavyweight like Wlad fighting the type of fight. I wanna see the heavyweights try to kill each other.
      okay......

      so Klitschko being technical sucks but Floyd, Ward and Rigo being technical is good.

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        #13
        Originally posted by Big Rigg
        Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate a technician like Rigo, Floyd and those type if guys but its hard to see a big strong heavyweight like Wlad fighting the type of fight. I wanna see the heavyweights try to kill each other.
        Jack Johnson's KO ratio was 38.3%
        Muhammad Ali's KO ratio was 60.66%
        Larry Holmes KO ratio was 58.67%
        Lennox Lewis' KO ratio was 72.73%
        Harry Wills' KO ratio was 50%
        Evander Holyfield's KO ratio was 50.88%

        Wladimir has had more KO wins over HWs who were never stopped by anyone else than any of those guys. Yet those heavyweight are never subjected to the undeserved critism and hatred that get's thrown at Wladimir.

        He's and the only one to stop Tony Thompson, Eddie Chambers, Calvin Brock, the only one to stop Ruslan Chagaev (former Gold Medal winner in the amateurs) in the amateurs or pros, etc.

        Those fighters were underrated after losing to Wladimir, by people who just can't give Wladimir credit.

        And despite his 12 Gold medals in the amateurs and undefeated record in the pros, those same people will call Povetkin a bum after he gets KOed by Wlad, rather than be fair and acknowledge Wladimir beat another good heavyweight.

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          #14
          Originally posted by Freedom2013
          Jack Johnson's KO ratio was 38.3%
          Muhammad Ali's KO ratio was 60.66%
          Larry Holmes KO ratio was 58.67%
          Lennox Lewis' KO ratio was 72.73%
          Harry Wills' KO ratio was 50%
          Evander Holyfield's KO ratio was 50.88%

          Wladimir has had more KO wins over HWs who were never stopped by anyone else than any of those guys. Yet those heavyweight are never subjected to the undeserved critism and hatred that get's thrown at Wladimir.

          He's and the only one to stop Tony Thompson, Eddie Chambers, Calvin Brock, the only one to stop Ruslan Chagaev (former Gold Medal winner in the amateurs) in the amateurs or pros, etc.

          Those fighters were underrated after losing to Wladimir, by people who just can't give Wladimir credit.

          And despite his 12 Gold medals in the amateurs and undefeated record in the pros, those same people will call Povetkin a bum after he gets KOed by Wlad, rather than be fair and acknowledge Wladimir beat another good heavyweight.
          I don't believe that quoting Johnson's KO ratio is a point to make. You have to take into account that he fought in an era of deep racism and much poverty. The large majority of boxing attendees were white, and they required value for money. I't a well known fact that black fighters, except in exceptional circumstances, dragged out their fights to please the "cash customers". They had to make a living, and there are records that they fought one another multiple times as many as 20 or more..

          And every single expert who wrote about Johnson, pointed out that he would carry opponents, and can actually be seen on film holding them up until they recover from a heavy blow. They also agreed that he could finish a fight at any time he wanted, and was enormously strong. He handled Big Jim Jeffries around the ring at will, as if he were a featherweight.

          I used to get lots of info about Johnson from my late uncle a former boxer, who lived to be 96 right through those days, and was actually introduced by him to a sparring partner of Tommy Burns who was left behind in Ireland when he KO'd Jem Roche in the fastest heavyweight title time ever. As you know, Johnson won his title from Burns.

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            #15
            Originally posted by edgarg
            You have to take into account that he fought in an era of deep racism.
            True, but nowadays we live in a era of a different kind of racism.

            Jack Johnson received excessive criticism because he was black; today, Wladimir Klitschko is unfairly criticised and called "boring" despite having so many KOs because he's not black. Many people nowadays (especially Americans) want a black heavyweight champion.

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              #16
              Originally posted by Freedom2013
              True, but nowadays we live in a era of a different kind of racism.

              Jack Johnson received excessive criticism because he was black; today, Wladimir Klitschko is unfairly criticised and called "boring" despite having so many KOs because he's not black. Many people nowadays (especially Americans) want a black heavyweight champion.
              Freedom you are not being honest. Wlad is called boring, same thing you call ward and floyd, same thing posters say about rigo. WHite, black, hispanic. I'm pretty sure Jack Johnson's situation in 1920 is far worse than Wlad's today.

              Dan wrote the same things I've said to you time and time again comparing Holmes and Wlad. Even dan acknowledges that wlad's opposition is less than great. Again, these are the same things posters point out to you all the time.

              WHite fans in the US haven't embraced Wlad. THis is the same group that embraced ALi, Frazier, Louis, Tyson and made them heroes and superstars. So to argue racism is a stretch, especially when they never get to ee him fight on TV like previous HWT champions.

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                #17
                Originally posted by MANIAC310
                okay......

                so Klitschko being technical sucks but Floyd, Ward and Rigo being technical is good.
                Hey, I never said wards name number 1. Lol And number 2, those guys are small, it's just hard for me to see a big strong heavyweight fight like that.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Freedom2013
                  Jack Johnson's KO ratio was 38.3%
                  Muhammad Ali's KO ratio was 60.66%
                  Larry Holmes KO ratio was 58.67%
                  Lennox Lewis' KO ratio was 72.73%
                  Harry Wills' KO ratio was 50%
                  Evander Holyfield's KO ratio was 50.88%

                  Wladimir has had more KO wins over HWs who were never stopped by anyone else than any of those guys. Yet those heavyweight are never subjected to the undeserved critism and hatred that get's thrown at Wladimir.

                  He's and the only one to stop Tony Thompson, Eddie Chambers, Calvin Brock, the only one to stop Ruslan Chagaev (former Gold Medal winner in the amateurs) in the amateurs or pros, etc.

                  Those fighters were underrated after losing to Wladimir, by people who just can't give Wladimir credit.

                  And despite his 12 Gold medals in the amateurs and undefeated record in the pros, those same people will call Povetkin a bum after he gets KOed by Wlad, rather than be fair and acknowledge Wladimir beat another good heavyweight.
                  It's the way he fights, he ends up getting knockouts the majority of the time but I still wish he'd fight more aggressively. He should fight like a killer instead of a hard hitting technician.
                  Last edited by Bigg Rigg; 07-05-2013, 09:38 AM.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Big Rigg
                    It's the way he fights, he ends up getting knockouts the majority of the time but I still wish he'd fight more aggressively. He should fight like a killer instead of a hard hitting technician.
                    When he fought more agressively he got KYFO by fighters who are not as good as him because of his chin. I think Steward had him fighting the right way. the only problem is on TV the dynamic of the larger guy boxing and moving doesn't look good.

                    Its like watching floyd JMM repeatedly.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Big Dunn
                      When he fought more agressively he got KYFO by fighters who are not as good as him because of his chin. I think Steward had him fighting the right way. the only problem is on TV the dynamic of the larger guy boxing and moving doesn't look good.

                      Its like watching floyd JMM repeatedly.
                      That's kinda my point. If it works for him after getting ko then that's what he's gonna do but it doesn't mean it looks good like u said.

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