Comments Thread For: Schaefer: HBO Rejected Hopkins-Stevenson Clash

[Fetta]

They're sinking all this money, what's the payoff?

record ppv loss, check
14-1 showcase gone wrong, at 2.5m+ a pop, check
budget can't fit Garcia Matthysse, but we'll get Judah 2, check
no interest in Hopkins Kovalev, but Hopkins Murat is a check

Just landed 2nd biggest fight of the decade-CHECK!

Rumor that garcia wants 5mil but Hero blames that on Showtime-CHECK

Broner still wins and does very good numbers- CHECK

[HeroBando]

herobando you keep focusing on $12 mil like the year is over. If you lose money in a business on any given day that doesn't mean you lost for the year. you do know that "losing $12 mil" means regarding ppv fights? it means they didn't get as much profit as they expected-the fight, for example, made $25 mil when it was expected to make $37.

No it literally means losing money, like coming well short of break even point. In one night 40%+ of your annual budget, if true. That's catastrophic in any business.

Don't talk to me about precedents. Normally the network doesn't make any guarantees on a PPV, all the risk is on the promoter. So this is a whole new business model lol.

[dc3383]

They're sinking all this money, what's the payoff?

record ppv loss, check
14-1 showcase gone wrong, at 2.5m+ a pop, check
budget can't fit Garcia Matthysse, but we'll get Judah 2, check
no interest in Hopkins Kovalev, but Hopkins Murat is a check

Whats funny nobody knows how much that fight made or loss it's all industry rumors even it 870k buts atleast 50 mill made 9 mil on live gate so are saying they invested 72 mil in that fight I doubt

[HeroBando]

Whats funny nobody knows how much that fight made or loss it's all industry rumors even it 870k buts atleast 50 mill made 9 mil on live gate so are saying they invested 72 mil in that fight I doubt

You not gonna get far with your calculation if you don't know that cable and satellite distributors take about a half. Maybe Showtime execs forgot about this when they were drafting the contract?

[The Big Dunn]

No it literally means losing money, like coming well short of break even point. In one night 40%+ of your annual budget, if true. That's catastrophic in any business.

Don't talk to me about precedents. Normally the network doesn't make any guarantees on a PPV, all the risk is on the promoter. So this is a whole new business model lol.

They didn't lose money they just didn't generate as much as expected. The ghost fight buildup was used by showtime and CBS to recreate floyd's image. The CBS documentary and the showtime documentray were produced. They spent money for the long term not just May.

Do you really think CBS is missing the $12 mil? If so, why are they going full force and investing more this time around?

[dc3383]

You not gonna get far with your calculation if you don't know that cable and satellite distributors take about a half. Maybe Showtime execs forgot about this when they were drafting the contract?

How are they losing money when they are spending more on this fight. Nobodt thought the Ghost would the number he did vs Cotto. It did the range of numbers most expected rather it be 870k or a lil over a million.

[HeroBando]

They didn't lose money they just didn't generate as much as expected. The ghost fight buildup was used by showtime and CBS to recreate floyd's image. The CBS documentary and the showtime documentray were produced. They spent money for the long term not just May.

Do you really think CBS is missing the $12 mil? If so, why are they going full force and investing more this time around?

I don't know, but that's the widespread rumor, echoed in Forbes in fact.

I dunno what CBS can do, contractually they may have no recourse but to swallow the massive losses. So they're doubling down, it's no secret Canelo is the only sure fire money maker of the available options. It'll save Espinoza's skin short term, but it's a 6 fight contract and I don't see any other sure fire winners. Some of them would bomb worse than Guerrero, like Alexander for example.

[SweetScience]

This is business not some high school bullshit going on, Stevenson is the fight people want to see. And HBO probably has options for Stevenson's next fights. Right now so the only way to make the fight is going through HBO.

Yes business why they don't want the fight. Hopkins could win and ride off back to Showtime.

Good move by HBO, they have Ward waiting in the wings, Froch etc.

Schaefer is a *****.

[The Big Dunn]

I don't know, but that's the widespread rumor, echoed in Forbes in fact.

I dunno what CBS can do, contractually they may have no recourse but to swallow the massive losses. So they're doubling down, it's no secret Canelo is the only sure fire money maker of the available options. It'll save Espinoza's skin short term, but it's a 6 fight contract and I don't see any other sure fire winners. Some of them would bomb worse than Guerrero, like Alexander for example.

all depends on the effort made to promote it. if floyd fights devon or khan-he's got to get out there and sell it like he did the ODH fight.

if he fights broner/cotto 2 /canelo 2-then its completely different.

But it all depends on what happens next. No one believed floyd odh would 2.4 mil. Imagine if floyd canelo equals or tops that? I don't think it will.

[Fetta]

Yes business why they don't want the fight. Hopkins could win and ride off back to Showtime.

Good move by HBO, they have Ward waiting in the wings, Froch etc.

Schaefer is a *****.

So business over what fans want? Thats your boxing business model? Noted down