Comments Thread For: Canelo: Catch-Weight Wasn't Me, Don't Want it at 152

[mannyfresh209]

Let me educate you....

Im not insinuating it, I'm telling you that was the case. Oscar fought Steve Forbes at 150lbs in preparation for a rematch with Floyd at 147. Floyd backed out of the fight so Oscar targeted the winner of Cotto-Margarito at 147. When Tony upset the odds, Oscar ducked him and cherry picked Pacquiaio asking him to come to 147.

You're welcome.

If you really think DLH was willingly SEEKING out fights at 147 you're sadly mistaken. Sorry, sir.

As shown with the absolutely devastating effects it had on his body when he fought Pacquiao, one cannot sit there and logically say that was his 1st choice, to fight at 147. DLH was looking for a big name to fight to hopefully put an exclamation on his career. The ONLY way he could've made a fight with him and Pacquiao work is if he came down in weight to do it. Thus, Pacquiao used his brand to make DLH drop in weight to make the fight a reality. Whatever you personally wanna believe is fine with me. You need to read between the lines.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Pacquiao weighed more than DLH on fight night if I'm not mistaken, DLH being some 15-20 pounds lighter (on fight night) than in previous fights at 154. And Pacquiao was considered the #1 p4p in the world at the time. So yeah, he was able to play his cards to get DLH to drop down to 147.

Oscar De La Hoya was the number 1 draw in boxing which is more important than the mythical title of being p4p number 1. Pacquaio had no cards to play. He was dancing to Oscar's tune. Im guessing your join date was around about the time you got into boxing.

[mannyfresh209]

fyi....Pacman was a nobody at higher weight and De la Hoya was already an established fighter back then...Pacman name just catapulted to stardom after he won against De La hoya in dominating fashion.....and 147 is not CW......

I never claimed it was a catchweight. All I said was Pacquiao has fought people coming up and down in weight multiple times in a row. Which he did.

[rasdun]

Are you insinuating that Oscar WANTED to fight at 147, instead of continue his campaign at 154? When was the last time Oscar had fought at 147, prior to that fight? The reason Oscar wanted the fight with Manny is because Manny was a big name at the time. Manny argreed to the weight of Oscar dropping down, he would've never agreed to fight him @ 154. So yeah, Manny being Manny forced Oscar to move down. And regardless of what the negotiation process was, Manny still fought 3 fighters in a row that were down from their normal weight classes. One was for a vacant 154 belt at a 150lb catchweight against somebody who was not a champion in any way, shape or form at 154. That was forever boggle my mind.

LMFAO - Manny "forced" Oscar to move down in weight. when Manny moved up 2 weight classes for the fight
and Margarito NEVER fought at 154 that was not his normal weight he had only 1 prior fight over 147 and that was also at 151. and Cotto weighed 145 to fight Pac, 146 for his fight prior. so yeah, Cotto was ALOT lower than his "normal weight". LOL

[rasdun]

If you really think DLH was willingly SEEKING out fights at 147 you're sadly mistaken. Sorry, sir.

As shown with the absolutely devastating effects it had on his body when he fought Pacquiao, one cannot sit there and logically say that was his 1st choice, to fight at 147. DLH was looking for a big name to fight to hopefully put an exclamation on his career. The ONLY way he could've made a fight with him and Pacquiao work is if he came down in weight to do it. Thus, Pacquiao used his brand to make DLH drop in weight to make the fight a reality. Whatever you personally wanna believe is fine with me. You need to read between the lines.

preparing to fight floyd at 147. it was already negotiated when floyd "retired"

[The Big Dunn]

ducking the jr wlterwt division. Yeah - that funny considering after KO'ing Oscar, Manny fought the true champ in that weight - Hatton. absolutely destroyed him, becoming the only fighter ever to win lineal titles in 4 weight classes (112, 126, 130, and 140) and continuing the buzz for Pac vs. floyd (and we know what happened from there)

lets be clear. Manny gets no blame for fighting ODH at 147.

but when he did he went from 135 right to 147. when broner announced he paulie fight-some manny fans labeled this as "ducking the 140 lb division". so i'm just making sure mannyfresh209 hates correctly.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

If you really think DLH was willingly SEEKING out fights at 147 you're sadly mistaken. Sorry, sir.

I don't "think", I know. I was watching boxing at the time and I know what fights Oscar was seeking. The Welterweight division was where the money was so he wanted to fight there. First he wanted Floyd, then Cotto, then he cherry picked Pacquaio from lightweight.

Thus, Pacquiao used his brand to make DLH drop in weight to make the fight a reality.

What "brand"?

Pacquiao didn't become a star until he beat Oscar who was the biggest "brand" in boxing at the time. Oh my, some of you kids need to do your research.

[Evol]

DLH, Cotto, Margarito? Marquez? You forget about those 1st 3 or what?

U said 3-4 fights in a row. The ones I mention were his last 4 fights in a row. PAC fought Oscar at 147 a weight Oscar challenge PAC at so nice try.

[kamikaze_ero]

LMFAO - Manny "forced" Oscar to move down in weight. when Manny moved up 2 weight classes for the fight
and Margarito NEVER fought at 154 that was not his normal weight he had only 1 prior fight over 147 and that was also at 151. and Cotto weighed 145 to fight Pac, 146 for his fight prior. so yeah, Cotto was ALOT lower than his "normal weight". LOL

yeah i agreed...

Floyd fighting Canelo at CW 152 when both of them are champions at JR MW 154 is ridiculous......

[mannyfresh209]

Oscar De La Hoya was the number 1 draw in boxing which is more important than the mythical title of being p4p number 1. Pacquaio had no cards to play. He was dancing to Oscar's tune. Im guessing your join date was around about the time you got into boxing.

Lol who said that Pacquiao forced the issue? I'm saying Pacquiao being the #1 "mythical" p4p fighter forced the issue. Pacquiao didn't have to say anything. The fact that he was THE #1 p4p fighter in the world gave Oscar LITTLE option as to who his next fight was gonna be against, once he "ducked" Margarito (which btw, Cotto/Margarito 1 was one of the best fights I've ever seen live on non ppv). My question was, and still is, don't you think if Oscar REALLY had a chance to create a huge fight at 154, he would've much rather done that? Instead, his most viable option from a business standpoint was against Pacquiao. Thus, forcing the issue of a 147 pound fight. Again, read between the lines, sir.