Marquez beating Pacquiao was the best thing that happened to lil' Floyd

[The Big Dunn]

@ Big Dunn

in the end, if proof eventually surfaces of pac & PEDs... pac will burn. you guys will shriek in ecstasy... and all is right in the world.

until then, pac sat through a lot of grief for something he had no history of... accusations even went to a racial level, claiming foreign sources of drug abuse. floyd even pulled the "foreigner" card on pac. LOL. and dont forget the racially insensitive rants & resume bashing.

ultimately, peterson & berto got busted of PEDs.... an african american & a haitian american.... no foreigners, just some good 'ole homebrew americans.

and a bunch of cubans in miami. LOL

Yeah, floyds accusations made it bad but manny's actions made it worse. FWIW, my feeling they both liklley used was based on their actions-manny with the way he refused testing and floyd with the "I don't know anything about that" when the TRT question was posed.

WE agree that when floyd went in he went low-thats on him. He's gotta live with the repercussions.

Can't argue with that. accept i'd add toney, shane,vitali all were a little dirty too.

[low_Bo]

Obviously Floyd didn't want the PAC fight. Fear, doubt, playing it safe? Only Floyd knows, but it is clear he never wanted a piece of prime PAC. PAC had the work rate, speed, and power to potentially give Mayweather. Anyone who denies this is an idiot. Not saying one guy would have won for sure, but you are lying to yourself if you think PAC would have been a walk in the park for Floyd.

[shade darkar]

Imma be real for a minute. You and I get into these pointless debates too much. I may not agree with you but I respect you as a poster because you usually make saient points and stick to your guns.

But you have to see that posting what you did about rule changes was factually incorrect. I'm cool if in the end you blame floyd. He could've done more to make the fight happen after 2009.

but the ped test was no big deal and manny and his team made it more than it was. Manny refused out of personal pride and floyd wouldn't budge out of personal pride. I dont see how reasonable posters cant agree with that.

It's just my opinion, testing was never even an issue until pacman came along. Why is that?

[Master Pimpin]

Floyd wasn't going to fight Pacquiao anyway.

50 cent basically admitted that Floyd had been doing his best to avoid Pacquiao, and thats the reason their promotional company fell apart because 50 wanted to make the fight but Floyd didn't.

When 50 finally got Pacquiao on Board, that's when Floyd split. Floyd didn't want any part of this fight.

50 cent is a snake, a snitch, and a liar. He also doesn't know **** about boxing or the business.

Since 50 cent signed Gamboa, and other fighters to his promotional stable, they haven't looked good against subpar opposition and their hype is declining.

Floyd was never with 50, 50 tried to work with Floyd enemy Bob Arum while Floyd was locked. Why should Floyd work with him, also why would Floyd follow someone he introduced to the business. He is the leader of the sport not 50 cent and he promotes himself, Pacquiao doesn't so how he can be in a partnership with someone not on his level in terms of business?

[The Big Dunn]

It's just my opinion, testing was never even an issue until pacman came along. Why is that?

power play, sticking it to arum, criticizing a rival, a little bit of everything except fear of losing. Manny refused for similar reasons.

The only problem I have is that the fight could've brought boxing back into the mainstream.

Lets just hope Manny KO's Rios and Tim and floyd beats Canelo cleanly and then just MAYBE we get a fight toend all the TR/GBP and HBO/SHO BS.

[shade darkar]

power play, sticking it to arum, criticizing a rival, a little bit of everything except fear of losing. Manny refused for similar reasons.

The only problem I have is that the fight could've brought boxing back into the mainstream.

Lets just hope Manny KO's Rios and Tim and floyd beats Canelo cleanly and then just MAYBE we get a fight toend all the TR/GBP and HBO/SHO BS.

Fair enough, but the way I see it is he seen this guy come up through the weights, impressing enough that he was rated the best fighter on the planet. But the way he beat cotto and Hatton was a bit surprising to floyd. The fact that he is also a southpaw with serious speed and power, was concerning to say the least for mayweather. Undefeated and wanting to stay that way, pacman represented a serious risk to that.

As for a potential fight in the future, I'm all for it, I still believe pacman represents floyds toughest fight even now. But it doesn't carry the same prestige it did had they fought 3 years ago when they were both closer to their primes.

[The Big Dunn]

Fair enough, but the way I see it is he seen this guy come up through the weights, impressing enough that he was rated the best fighter on the planet. But the way he beat cotto and Hatton was a bit surprising to floyd. The fact that he is also a southpaw with serious speed and power, was concerning to say the least for mayweather. Undefeated and wanting to stay that way, pacman represented a serious risk to that.

As for a potential fight in the future, I'm all for it, I still believe pacman represents floyds toughest fight even now. But it doesn't carry the same prestige it did had they fought 3 years ago when they were both closer to their primes.

Manny didn't get that until floyd "retired." so I dont think that bothered him as much as the people saying he was as good as floyd when he didn't display floyds skills but did show more power.

why is floyd concerned about southpaws? I know here on NSB thats the line of thinking because, in theory, the southpaw can do better against the mayweather defense. but that isn't factual.

I think if arum thought manny would win he'd go for it like he did with ODH/tito.
Remeber Arum up to that point historically promoted the more skilled fighters-srl/odh/ali/floyd.

true, the fight may not mean as much to us hardcore fans but if the huge power punching manny reappears then it will to the mainstream.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

Floyd wasn't going to fight Pacquiao anyway.

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...and that's all there is to it

[shade darkar]

Manny didn't get that until floyd "retired." so I dont think that bothered him as much as the people saying he was as good as floyd when he didn't display floyds skills but did show more power.

why is floyd concerned about southpaws? I know here on NSB thats the line of thinking because, in theory, the southpaw can do better against the mayweather defense. but that isn't factual.

I think if arum thought manny would win he'd go for it like he did with ODH/tito.
Remeber Arum up to that point historically promoted the more skilled fighters-srl/odh/ali/floyd.

true, the fight may not mean as much to us hardcore fans but if the huge power punching manny reappears then it will to the mainstream.

Well being a southpaw causes floyd concern because there is no way floyd can get in the ring with pacman and not get hit with a bomb. We seen round 2 of the Mosley fight, floyd got hit with a bomb. Mosley is a hard puncher, but pacman hits a bit harder. I mean, look, floyd has skills, so does pacman, it's just a fight that should have happened already!!!!

[The Big Dunn]

Well being a southpaw causes floyd concern because there is no way floyd can get in the ring with pacman and not get hit with a bomb. We seen round 2 of the Mosley fight, floyd got hit with a bomb. Mosley is a hard puncher, but pacman hits a bit harder. I mean, look, floyd has skills, so does pacman, it's just a fight that should have happened already!!!!

AGreed regarding mosley connecting but Manny's reach is about 4-5 inches less than Mosley's and he is 2 inches shorter. Big difference but I expect manny would land at some point.

Floyd can move far better than Mosley-which did cause manny problems even though he dominated.

Yup it should've.