Comments Thread For: Arum Explains Handling of Marquez-Bradley Drug Testing

[WESS]

I like both Pac and Floyd(I'll admit Pac a lil more),my stance was always that I got Pac not wanting to bend to Floyd's will..Floyd really had no right to suggest that Pac was on anything(which let's be honest he did before nego ever started),he could have sat down at nego and just said I want strict testing if we do the fight..Floyd was wrong for the way he went about things,not for asking for testing..

Bradley said publicly he wanted this and all his other future fights to have testing..As did Marquez,I really don't see why now Marquez is making this a you give me this I'll give you that kinda deal..They both stated they wanted testing for their future fights..This is really not the same situation as Pac and Floyd tbh..Where Floyd outright(or his team however you look at it)accused Pac of being on something..Pac also never said he wanted random testing,like Marquez said..

I understand where you're coming from however I'm pointing out the fact that this is what boxing has become, which involves extra testing becoming the norm. Now we have the few irrelevent pac boys crying about testing or WHO should be doing it? Now that is pure irony. I called this years ago.

[Rome-By-Ko]

I think you're right in that Mayweather had no leverage, especially in the way he requested random drug testing for he and pac to start. But as soon as pac's side starts saying things like, "we'll agree to whatever testing they [Mayweather's camp] want" and then backtracking when they find out it's random blood and urine testing -- that gives Mayweather all the leverage in the world -- regardless of whether pac wanted it or not.

Here's Marquez and Bradley saying the want testing for all future bouts, but now Marquez is trying to weasel his way in negotiations or (and this is what it's looking like more and more), is trying to get out of or around random drug testing.

Arum has to find an independent lab now, but can't use USADA or VADA? I wonder why that is; maybe because they actually do their job....?

I agree..I always thought both sides were wrong,which is a big reason I never really got into those arguments about the whole Mayweather Pac and who's to blame debates..IMO they both had their faults,and any body with two eyes should be able to see that..

I also agree with the rest of your post,Marquez is looking a lil suspect now..

[Rome-By-Ko]

I understand where you're coming from however I'm pointing out the fact that this is what boxing has become, which involves extra testing becoming the norm. Now we have the few irrelevent pac boys crying about testing or WHO should be doing it? Now that is pure irony. I called this years ago.

I do find it kinda funny how some posters who were against testing when Mayweather brought it up..Was beasting for testing time Pac was KO'd..Mayweather deserves a lot of credit for the movement he started tho..A lot of fighters have been busted and exposed because May really set a standard for testing..

[I Love Jesus!]

This is what arum does though... He surrounds a lie by something that is feel good for boxin fans... Dude is an excellent business man so when the commission doesn't do the proper testing he can say well I tried.

why wouldnt he want proper testing though? Bradley is his guy

[boxer.exposed]

I understand where you're coming from however I'm pointing out the fact that this is what boxing has become, which involves extra testing becoming the norm. Now we have the few irrelevent pac boys crying about testing or WHO should be doing it? Now that is pure irony. I called this years ago.

You are comparing apples to orange here and typical Floyd fans trying to twist some facts to their own agenda.

Pac fans didn't cry about the testing because if my memory serves me right, Pac agreed to Floyd OST on the very first negotiation although he negotiated for blood testing cut off days (because of his well documented bad experience on Morales first fight) but he also offered team Floyd unlimited urine test even everyday if they want.

Take note all these boxers recently caught on PED, the tester used the same advanced urine testing Pac team offered to Floyd. How I wish Floyd really wanted to fight Pac after Pac agreed to all the way testing without cut off days so he will get his own OST but Floyd turned out to be has no real intention of fighting Pac from the very beginning.

[Flash13]

why wouldnt he want proper testing though? Bradley is his guy

I'm wondering if he knew proper testing meant no fight. Maybe he feels he can budge Bradley on his position more than marquez on his? Idk not good for marquez in my opinion... Regardless marquez is turning diva. I can't believe pac may was brought up... But I have never had the position let the commission do its job. I thought a cut off day was perfectly reasonable as long as they tested after the fight. One floyd boy one time told me he would sweat it out during the fight... They will go to any lengths to defend him.....

[FALLENSOLDIER]

I'm wondering if he knew proper testing meant no fight. Maybe he feels he can budge Bradley on his position more than marquez on his? Idk not good for marquez in my opinion... Regardless marquez is turning diva. I can't believe pac may was brought up... But I have never had the position let the commission do its job. I thought a cut off day was perfectly reasonable as long as they tested after the fight. One floyd boy one time told me he would sweat it out during the fight... They will go to any lengths to defend him.....

HAS PAC EVER TOOK A TEST???

All dis dirt on Marquez now, but wit no proof.
Lets examine dis.......

It was wrong for mayweather fans to accuse Pac for being a ped user. But its okay for Pac fans to call marquez a ped user.....

All because of a a trainer correct???

Well alex ariza made it no better wit his comments about special blends and special shakes or whatnot. Sayin manny doesnt know what hes taking etc. Now keep in mind even BHOP recently said its your job to know what you are taking, and even PETERSON TRIED TO USE THAT EXCUSE THAT HE DIDNT KNOW AND YALL CRUCIFIED HIM!!!

OH THE IRONY!!!!!
So now we have people sayin look at marquez wit da extra speed and stamina, and now they call him a cheater.

but when PAC was throwing 80 punches a round, it was no biggy...

Well here ALEX ARIZA goes

"This is the fourth fight Marquez has employed Hernandez, 37, as his conditioning coach. But Alex Ariza, who serves in the same role with Pacquiao, said he is friends with Hernandez and does not believe Marquez's improved physique is the result of something untoward.

"Memo is brilliant — I don't have any su****ions,'' Ariza told USA TODAY Sports. "When you get someone like that who knows the science of exercise and nutrition . . . well, we saw a whole different fighter when he fought Manny last time.

"It's not because (trainer) Nacho Beristain is teaching (Marquez) something new. It is because Memo now has Marquez's confidence. He has done things to his body. He has taken a good fighter at 39 and completely evolved him. Now I've got a guy (Hernandez) teaching the science as well — we're on an even plane. That's my fear.''

Alex doesnt think he is cheating at all.....

AGAIN THE IRONY!!!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/boxing/2012/11/27/juan-manuel-marquez-denies-using-illegal-drugs/1729725/

So can Marquez at least get the same treatment You guys gave PAC??

"I remember people sayin PAC HAS NEVER FAILED A TEST so innocent until proven guilty"

Neither has marquez, but people are sayin hes guilty.... This is that Irony that wess was talkin about.

Since Floyd/Pac negotiations, pac has took no tests period.......... All this extra testing is in regards to mayweather and pac......
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Its crazy how people accuse boxers of being hypocrites, when they dont see it in themselves...........

[Flash13]

HAS PAC EVER TOOK A TEST???

All dis dirt on Marquez now, but wit no proof.
Lets examine dis.......

It was wrong for mayweather fans to accuse Pac for being a ped user. But its okay for Pac fans to call marquez a ped user.....

All because of a a trainer correct???

Well alex ariza made it no better wit his comments about special blends and special shakes or whatnot. Sayin manny doesnt know what hes taking etc. Now keep in mind even BHOP recently said its your job to know what you are taking, and even PETERSON TRIED TO USE THAT EXCUSE THAT HE DIDNT KNOW AND YALL CRUCIFIED HIM!!!

OH THE IRONY!!!!!
So now we have people sayin look at marquez wit da extra speed and stamina, and now they call him a cheater.

but when PAC was throwing 80 punches a round, it was no biggy...

Well here ALEX ARIZA goes

"This is the fourth fight Marquez has employed Hernandez, 37, as his conditioning coach. But Alex Ariza, who serves in the same role with Pacquiao, said he is friends with Hernandez and does not believe Marquez's improved physique is the result of something untoward.

"Memo is brilliant — I don't have any su****ions,'' Ariza told USA TODAY Sports. "When you get someone like that who knows the science of exercise and nutrition . . . well, we saw a whole different fighter when he fought Manny last time.

"It's not because (trainer) Nacho Beristain is teaching (Marquez) something new. It is because Memo now has Marquez's confidence. He has done things to his body. He has taken a good fighter at 39 and completely evolved him. Now I've got a guy (Hernandez) teaching the science as well — we're on an even plane. That's my fear.''

Alex doesnt think he is cheating at all.....

AGAIN THE IRONY!!!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/boxing/2012/11/27/juan-manuel-marquez-denies-using-illegal-drugs/1729725/

So can Marquez at least get the same treatment You guys gave PAC??

"I remember people sayin PAC HAS NEVER FAILED A TEST so innocent until proven guilty"

Neither has marquez, but people are sayin hes guilty.... This is that Irony that wess was talkin about.

Since Floyd/Pac negotiations, pac has took no tests period.......... All this extra testing is in regards to mayweather and pac......
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Its crazy how people accuse boxers of being hypocrites, when they dont see it in themselves...........

I read the first couple lines... Calm down I haven't accused marquez of anything I'm just saying it doesn't look good which is the truth.... As for the pac may situation I felt a cut off date was fine which is my opinion so save your long winded rant....

[FALLENSOLDIER]

I read the first couple lines... Calm down I haven't accused marquez of anything I'm just saying it doesn't look good which is the truth.... As for the pac may situation I felt a cut off date was fine which is my opinion so save your long winded rant....

Well thats fine, but did it look good for Pac is my next question???

No hard feelings........

[FALLENSOLDIER]

I read the first couple lines... Calm down I haven't accused marquez of anything I'm just saying it doesn't look good which is the truth.... As for the pac may situation I felt a cut off date was fine which is my opinion so save your long winded rant....

I ASK because there was the issue of him being weak out of his own mouth and somehow now hes ready a day late and a dollar short and it will no longer be an issue......