Comments Thread For: Froch: Ward Brings Little Revenue, Kessler III is Priority

[Light_Speed]

But the Supersix contained the best SMW's and Bute was the best of those not participating, so what's your point again?

Well then give credit to everybody who participated, don't act like Froch selected his opponents cause it's BS.

Most lucrative fight available? You mean the one that Ward rejected?

Ward had just won the super 6, he was in the position to turn the fight down and let it build up, create more demand to make more money down the road. Same thing Leonard did with Hearns back in the day, it's nothing new.

Froch was coming off a lopsided loss and he got offered a title shot against the #2 guy, most fighters in his position would have taken it.

[hitking]

Ottke was no.1 longer than Calzaghe and Calzaghe actually defended away from home (Veit, Hopkins, Jones). Like Ottke, Ward refuses to cross a border.

Difference between Ottke and Ward is that Ward still has to make some 19 defenses.

Calzage was considered the class of the division, not Ottke. Calzage fought better competition than Ottke. And in his "prime" Calzage was ripped for not wanting to come over here to fight the likes of Hopkins and Jones. Actually, he's even ripped now for supposedly "waiting until B-Hop and RJ got old before he agreed to come over and fight them." This may be the case with RJ. But Calzage actually moved up and took the light heavy title from B-Hop (which points to me not knowing WTF you're talking about saying Joe "defended" against B-Hop), so I really don't think that argument is valid.

[Weebler I]

But the Supersix contained the best SMW's and Bute was the best of those not participating, so what's your point again?

Not to mention the Taylor and Pascal fights were prior to the Super 6.

[LacedUp]

Nah a lot of fans here said he deserved credit for fighting top guys back to back, but if you look at it closely he either didn't have the choice (super 6) or it was the most lucrative fight available (Bute).

Didn't he fight pascal, Taylor, Bute and Kessler outside of the super six? Who exactly did Ward beat outside of the super six? A weight drained chad dawson? Lol

[hitking]

"Froch is warrior who always fights the best, he doesn't fight for money he fights for glory."

Where are all the Froch nuthuggers? I've always said he chases the doe like everybody else. This myth about him seeking the best fighters available is straight BS.

That "Froch is a take-on-all-comers warrior stuff is nonsense. He waiting until Kessler retired due to health reasons and then unretired to fight him. He wants no part of a Ward rematch. And he won't even fight Hopkins or Cleverly claiming he's too small to fight as a light heavy. I give Froch credit for taking calculated risk when he's had to and being for the most part successful doing them. But for the most part, Froch is a good fighter that over the last year or so has become one of the most overrated fighters in the game with one of the most delusional fanbases to match.

[BattlingNelson]

Calzage was considered the class of the division, not Ottke. Calzage fought better competition than Ottke. And in his "prime" Calzage was ripped for not wanting to come over here to fight the likes of Hopkins and Jones. Actually, he's even ripped now for supposedly "waiting until B-Hop and RJ got old before he agreed to come over and fight them." This may be the case with RJ. But Calzage actually moved up and took the light heavy title from B-Hop (which points to me not knowing WTF you're talking about saying Joe "defended" against B-Hop), so I really don't think that argument is valid.

You are wrong. The ring had Ottke no. 1 and Calzaghe no.2 in 1999 untill 2003. He retired in 2004.

So Ottke was absolutely higher ranked than Calzaghe.

[Arsene Knows]

Ward had just won the super 6, he was in the position to turn the fight down and let it build up, create more demand to make more money down the road. Same thing Leonard did with Hearns back in the day, it's nothing new.

Froch was coming off a lopsided loss and he got offered a title shot against the #2 guy, most fighters in his position would have taken it.

Ward-Bute was arguably the second most lucrative fight in boxing at the time. Most fighters would have taken it.

[hitking]

Didn't he fight pascal, Taylor, Bute and Kessler outside of the super six? Who exactly did Ward beat outside of the super six? A weight drained chad dawson? Lol

He fought Sakio Biko as a stay busy fight during the Super Six. And Bika is a guy nobody wants to fight if they don't have to.

[hitking]

You are wrong. The ring had Ottke no. 1 and Calzaghe no.2 in 1999 untill 2003. He retired in 2004.

So Ottke was absolutely higher ranked than Calzaghe.

So if Ottke was #1, why is it that Calzage was always the one being discussed for P4P showdowns with RJ and B-Hop, who were #1 and #2 on pretty much every P4P list and straddle the super middle division as the light heavy and middleweight champs respectively? As I recall, there was never any buzz for Ottke to fight either...BECAUSE HE WASN'T THE BEST IN THE DIVISION!!!

[BattlingNelson]

So if Ottke was #1, why is it that Calzage was always the one being discussed for P4P showdowns with RJ and B-Hop, who were #1 and #2 on pretty much every P4P list and straddle the super middle division as the light heavy and middleweight champs respectively?

Where was that discussed? Source and date please!

As I recall, there was never any buzz for Ottke to fight either...BECAUSE HE WASN'T THE BEST IN THE DIVISION!!!

Let's see your sources and we can take it from there.