Carl Froch has one of the greatest world class resumes ever.

[Weebler I]

I wish they'd hurry up and tell us who's next for Froch (plz no Kessler III)

[craigus1990]

I like how everyone is trying to discredit Froch as a fighter, or talk about controversial decisions when my thread title CLEARLY states that I'm talking about his resume. Wouldn't expect anything f**king less from NSB.

One cannot simply look at the names on a resume and not look at the details of the fights. If we looked at resume as just the names on it then we could say some journeyman gatekeeper has the best resume because he fought loads of world champions coming through. You have to look at the details, did he win or lose, was it a good performance, was it a close fight etc. You judge each fight on its details, not just the name. And once we do that we can see that although Froch has a decent resume, it is not amazing by any stretch of the imagination. He got schooled by Ward, he lost to Kessler and put in a so so performance against a past it Kessler to get revenge. Many people think he lost to Dirrell. He fought an ancient Johnson. Taylor was winning and was past it/never great anyway. Bute who again was never very good although it was a class performance. Abraham who again is a nobody and Pascal who I might be inclined to say is his best win.
I'm sorry when Pascal or an old Kessler are in contention for your best win then your resume is no where near the best.
You say we can't name a current boxer with a better resume? You're kidding right? There is one in his division called Ward. He beat a prime Kessler and a prime Froch and make it look easy. When I can name a fighter in his division that has a better resume, I think it is safe to say there are many others in boxing with better resumes,

[Weebler I]

One cannot simply look at the names on a resume and not look at the details of the fights. If we looked at resume as just the names on it then we could say some journeyman gatekeeper has the best resume because he fought loads of world champions coming through. You have to look at the details, did he win or lose, was it a good performance, was it a close fight etc. You judge each fight on its details, not just the name. And once we do that we can see that although Froch has a decent resume, it is not amazing by any stretch of the imagination. He got schooled by Ward, he lost to Kessler and put in a so so performance against a past it Kessler to get revenge. Many people think he lost to Dirrell. He fought an ancient Johnson. Taylor was winning and was past it/never great anyway. Bute who again was never very good although it was a class performance. Abraham who again is a nobody and Pascal who I might be inclined to say is his best win.
I'm sorry when Pascal or an old Kessler are in contention for your best win then your resume is no where near the best.
You say we can't name a current boxer with a better resume? You're kidding right? There is one in his division called Ward. He beat a prime Kessler and a prime Froch and make it look easy. When I can name a fighter in his division that has a better resume, I think it is safe to say there are many others in boxing with better resumes,

Ultimately you can break down any fighter's record like that. Ward didn't beat a prime Kessler or a prime Froch at 33 after a number of wars. He didn't even beat Kessler fairly. Arguably lost to Boone. Struggled with Bika. Fought a drained Dawson, hardly ever leaves his backyard etc.

When it's all said and done Froch has come through one of the hardest back to back runs in the sport home and away and come out with 7 wins from 9. It's a heck of a resume and it's still going.

[craigus1990]

Ultimately you can break down any fighter's record like that. Ward didn't beat a prime Kessler or a prime Froch at 33 after a number of wars. He didn't even beat Kessler fairly. Arguably lost to Boone. Struggled with Bika. Fought a drained Dawson, hardly ever leaves his backyard etc.

When it's all said and done Froch has come through one of the hardest back to back runs in the sport home and away and come out with 7 wins from 9. It's a heck of a resume and it's still going.

I honestly don't care if it was 'home or away' I subscribe to the philosophy that fights are about skills and ability over location. But yeah of course you can pick apart resumes but this guy is claiming Froch has a better resume in boxing than anyone at the moment which is a bold face lie. If you think Froch has a better resume than Ward you're deluded. Put it this way. Ward beat the number 2 and 3 guys in the division (Kessler and Froch) and Froch lost to the number 1 and 3 guys in the division (or 2 depending if you ranked Kessler above Froch). I take 2 wins over the top guys over 2 losses over the top guys. Wins count 10 times more than losses on a resume. As I say when Pascal or an old Kessler are your top wins, you are really nowhere near the best resume-wise.

[Weebler I]

I honestly don't care if it was 'home or away' I subscribe to the philosophy that fights are about skills and ability over location.

Well if that were true fighters wouldn't pull so hard to get fights in their back yard. Unfortunately it's not just skills and ability that win fights, but multitude of other factors too, venue being one of them.

But yeah of course you can pick apart resumes but this guy is claiming Froch has a better resume in boxing than anyone at the moment which is a bold face lie. If you think Froch has a better resume than Ward you're deluded. Put it this way. Ward beat the number 2 and 3 guys in the division (Kessler and Froch) and Froch lost to the number 1 and 3 guys in the division (or 2 depending if you ranked Kessler above Froch). I take 2 wins over the top guys over 2 losses over the top guys. Wins count 10 times more than losses on a resume. As I say when Pascal or an old Kessler are your top wins, you are really nowhere near the best resume-wise.

Ward: Miranda, Kessler, Green, Bika, Abraham, Froch, Dawson
Froch: Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Abraham, Johnson, Bute, Kessler

There's not a great deal in it but Froch fought a lot of those away from home and has a couple of other decent names in Reid and Magee also on his record.

[BattlingNelson]

I don't think ANYONE can give me a boxer with a better current resume than Carl Froch.

Mikkel Kessler.

[MEXGBP]

I see you joined a few days ago.

Welcome to boxing.

You must think you're an expert already.

raba is being here like 6-7 years, skinning guy from tijuana who hates mexican americas

[craigus1990]

Well if that were true fighters wouldn't pull so hard to get fights in their back yard. Unfortunately it's not just skills and ability that win fights, but multitude of other factors too, venue being one of them.



Ward: Miranda, Kessler, Green, Bika, Abraham, Froch, Dawson
Froch: Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Abraham, Johnson, Bute, Kessler

There's not a great deal in it but Froch fought a lot of those away from home and has a couple of other decent names in Reid and Magee also on his record.

Even if we say Ward's resume isn't better than Froch's (which it actually is) that does not make Froch have the best resume in boxing. Again you have listed the names but not the detail and just stated that as he won them in the USA it is better. Some of the names are the same yeah but as I explained, he lost to Kessler and Ward who you are counting as = to Ward's wins over Froch and Kessler. Those two wins alone make Ward's resume better than Froch's. A win over the man in question and the guy who bettered the man in question are better than anything on Froch's resume. And this is just talking about the SMW. When we throw guys names out there like your Mayweathers and your Pacquaios and your Bernard Hopkins and your Shane Mosleys etc etc.... then there is no way he has the best current resume, not even a chance.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Ultimately you can break down any fighter's record like that. Ward didn't beat a prime Kessler or a prime Froch at 33 after a number of wars. He didn't even beat Kessler fairly. Arguably lost to Boone. Struggled with Bika. Fought a drained Dawson, hardly ever leaves his backyard etc.

When it's all said and done Froch has come through one of the hardest back to back runs in the sport home and away and come out with 7 wins from 9. It's a heck of a resume and it's still going.

Reaching.........

[Weebler I]

Even if we say Ward's resume isn't better than Froch's (which it actually is) that does not make Froch have the best resume in boxing. Again you have listed the names but not the detail and just stated that as he won them in the USA it is better.

Be aware I didn't claim it was, although I certainly think it's one of them.

In terms of back to back fights it is surely one of the best out there - which incidentally is what I think the threadstarter was alluding to.

Some of the names are the same yeah but as I explained, he lost to Kessler and Ward who you are counting as = to Ward's wins over Froch and Kessler. Those two wins alone make Ward's resume better than Froch's. A win over the man in question and the guy who bettered the man in question are better than anything on Froch's resume. And this is just talking about the SMW. When we throw guys names out there like your Mayweathers and your Pacquaios and your Bernard Hopkins and your Shane Mosleys etc etc.... then there is no way he has the best current resume, not even a chance.

I don't really go in for one or two names taking precedence over a multitude of good opponents. I often see this argument about Rigondeaux and I agree with those who say that one win doesn't mean your record is stellar.

Imo the best record is the one who has beaten the most good fighters. That doesn't mean Froch is a better fighter than Ward, just that he arguably has the better resume.

Reaching.........

I watched the fight not long ago, it was very close particularly with the knock-down.