Comments Thread For: Bryant Jennings: The Klitschko Brothers Are Not Gods!

[HWChampion]

See. This is the argument that really gets to me. You say Wladimir is one of the best heavies of all times. What do you base that on? Who did he beat to make you claim such a powerful statement? What's his best win would you say? Haye? Byrd? - Who's was Byrd's best win? David Tua? Haye's best win? Valuev? None of these guys can make you say Wlad's the GOAT when they would be nothing but average in other eras.

This is a not a criticism of Wlad as per say, because he's indeed a great fighter who could probably hang with anyone. But I can't say for sure, because he didn't hang with everyone. He hung with a lot of bums and mediocre fighters and was KOd three times by mediocre fighters.



Yeah, what's wrong with a bit of trolling to get your fire lit?

And you know I'm a klitschko fan and I barely post on this website. So you could troll away my friend because it literally doesn't bother me. And a word of advice try and tap into your higher chakras because living a life where you consistently try and annoy people on boxing website doesn't mean much. And this consistent annoyance of people is you simply being conquered by yourself. Like Plato said my friend "The first and greatest victory is to conquer yourself; to be conquered by yourself is of all things most shameful and vile".

[Tonyu]

I've heard countless Klitschko fans say that they are the best of all times. So yes, they do.

They may be the best of all time we will never know as this is an ageless argument would Tyson beat Ali/would Leonard beat Robinson etc etc but we would never know its just the way history is - but all I can say all the great Heavyweights in the past from Johnson/Louis/Marciano/Ali/Holmes/Tyson you name them have never fought anyone there size and athletism and strength so its hard to gage could Ali deal with a 6 ft 7 fighter as the tallest man he fought was 6 ft 4 could Tyson or Louis or Marciano - some yes some say no but we will never know so maybe they are the best - thats why we call this opinions and not fact.

[Huxley]

They may be the best of all time we will never know as this is an ageless argument would Tyson beat Ali/would Leonard beat Robinson etc etc but we would never know its just the way history is - but all I can say all the great Heavyweights in the past from Johnson/Louis/Marciano/Ali/Holmes/Tyson you name them have never fought anyone there size and athletism and strength so its hard to gage could Ali deal with a 6 ft 7 fighter as the tallest man he fought was 6 ft 4 could Tyson or Louis or Marciano - some yes some say no but we will never know so maybe they are the best - thats why we call this opinions and not fact.

I have often thought about this. Then again, the Klitschko's never really faced anybody the caliber of those fighters you mention (except Lewis). Hypothetical discussion that would never end.

[LacedUp]

Tbh you ask this same questjon time and time again..... Just me personally and you, have had this discussion/debate quite a few times in the past few months or so. Without even getting deep into this....one can make the case Wlads size ALONE would make him at least somewhat competitive in any era. How could you disagree with that?


And what's wrong with it is- you don't do a bit or trolling.... You troll literally every Klitschko thread with the same routine/lines. Lol

Well if you read my post, I specifically said he could hang in any era. Size alone does not equal success. I'm not jumping on that bandwagon at all. I respect both brothers as very skillful and dedicated fighters, but fact is neither have a top win on their resume. Would you disagree with that?

Ok for arguments sake please in your book define an ATG not as in P4P ATG but heavy ATG. Because personally I don't believe in mythical P4P rankings especially when historians make fighters with zero footage and just like a painting of them fighting Lol and say they were this that and the other. Anyway I'm side tracking so please define a heavy ATG what does it take?

Well an ATG must consist of a couple of things. First off, signature fights. All ATGs have them. Liston has Patterson, Ali has Liston/Frazier/Foreman, Lennox has Tyson, Holyfield has Bowe, Foreman has Moorer/Frazier/Norton, Dempsey has Willard, Marciano has Walcott/Charles/Moore etc etc. Who are the klitschko's signature fight? Where they beat the man who beat the man. Secondly, domination - both Klitschko's have that, not going to argue there. Thirdly, having another ATG or at least a HOF on their record. The klitschko's don't have that either.

They're doing their business, and they do it well. If they suck like you pretend, how come they sell out soccer arenas all the time? They must have some sort of appeal.

I've never said they suck. I've said I don't find them interesting at all.

[LacedUp]

And you know I'm a klitschko fan and I barely post on this website. So you could troll away my friend because it literally doesn't bother me. And a word of advice try and tap into your higher chakras because living a life where you consistently try and annoy people on boxing website doesn't mean much. And this consistent annoyance of people is you simply being conquered by yourself. Like Plato said my friend "The first and greatest victory is to conquer yourself; to be conquered by yourself is of all things most shameful and vile".

Mate, that's very deep and all, but this is a forum. I do what I want you don't have to respond.

If everyone was thinking the same, there would be no interest in posting, would there?

[Mr. Philadel]

B.Hop is God...Marquez is God.....Floyd is God.....Pac is God....so yea, both K2 bros are Gods imo....BOXING Gods!!!....thats how I roll!!

[Tonyu]

I have often thought about this. Then again, the Klitschko's never really faced anybody the caliber of those fighters you mention (except Lewis). Hypothetical discussion that would never end.

I agree its an unanswerable question - to me both the Klitschko's are in the top 10 of all time.

[LacedUp]

I agree its an unanswerable question - to me both the Klitschko's are in the top 10 of all time.

Vitali? Wow.

[King_]

Well if you read my post, I specifically said he could hang in any era. Size alone does not equal success. I'm not jumping on that bandwagon at all. I respect both brothers as very skillful and dedicated fighters, but fact is neither have a top win on their resume. Would you disagree with that?



Well an ATG must consist of a couple of things. First off, signature fights. All ATGs have them. Liston has Patterson, Ali has Liston/Frazier/Foreman, Lennox has Tyson, Holyfield has Bowe, Foreman has Moorer/Frazier/Norton, Dempsey has Willard, Marciano has Walcott/Charles/Moore etc etc. Who are the klitschko's signature fight? Where they beat the man who beat the man. Secondly, domination - both Klitschko's have that, not going to argue there. Thirdly, having another ATG or at least a HOF on their record. The klitschko's don't have that either.



I've never said they suck. I've said I don't find them interesting at all.

I don't know man. Define "top win on a résumé"? Is a top win, a win against a future ATG? That's not fair at all to judge whether a fighter could be great in another era or if he's an ATG. You can only fight who is there, actively in your era. Wlad has fought any and every contender, pretender and prospect there possibly was to fight. He's cleaned out his division over a 4-5 year period..... If you look at his résumé you'll see undefeated fighters.

Lets bring Floyd into the conversation for a second.... Is Floyd an ATG? Could he be competitive in any era? Sure... Just like Wlad. But using your same criteria for Wlad, who is Floyd's top win?? Almost everyone floyd beat has already been beaten before, guys like JMM, DLH... Beating a guy just cause he's a HOFer obviously does not make one ATG, otherwise guys like Sturm is ATG. So why do those "top wins" make him an ATG? They don't. There's obviously more too it..... Something the résumé can't put on display. The skills a guy has, his willingness to fight everyone in his division, longevity of his title reign, etc...

Wlad nor Floyd have ATG RESUMES, but they're still both Going to go down as ATGs. Wlads top wins are all the #1 contenders, mandatory title challengers and other champions he's defeated. Whether you personally consider each one of those guys individually as "top wins" is nothing but opinion. What's fact is he did what he did to all of those guys who were put in front of him and you can't blame him for who there was to fight. And outclassed them so bad That he probably made them look even worse then they were.

Besides, With all that being said...... How can anyone say for sure Ruslan Chagaev or David Haye could or could not beat any of the bums/journeymen/contenders or champhons that Marciano, Louis, etc - fought? You simply can't.

[ddangerous]

Same old song and dance. "I'm going to go in with no fear or respect." Several have gone in that way, but not left that way.