Comments Thread For: Lara Decked Twice, Stops Angulo in a Shocking Ending

[deejd]

Lara being overrated has nothing to do with the fact he got dropped by Angulo. I've never said that anywhere.

If there's is one thing Angulo can do, it's punch. Being dropped by him is not surprising.

The fact he showed that he's one dimensional and a complete non existant inside game is why I think he's overrated.

The fact that a guy as limited, slow and outright poor as Angulo, declining no less, was able to shorten the distance so often to a state where all Lara would do in response is shell up is why I think he's overrated.

That's not to say he's not a good fighter, he certainly is. He's just not as amazing as people make out. And last night showed that.

I see where you're coming from, Dan... we just don't agree on this. We'll see how it pans out soon.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Go where? As I said before, outside of Mayweather and Rigo, who isn't limited?

Power can change plenty of perceptions. For the record, I think Rigo beats the brakes off anybody at '22, maybe even '26... but it would be interesting to see how he would fair with somebody who could eat his punches and still put the pressure on. No, Lara's footwork is nowhere near as great as Rigo's is, but he kept Angulo off balance by moving and sticking him with lead straights. He also stay inside and landed some good uppercuts when he stood in.

In all honesty, I think Angulo's power had a lot to do with why you think Lara's footwork is a problem. If you look at any of Lara's past fights, look at Vanes and Hernandez, he's able to maneuver where he wants and his footwork is just fine. It's only in this fight when he gets slowed down by body work because he doesn't clinch, does his footwork seem to be a flaw.

We've seen Mayweather deal with that... we haven't seen Rigo in with an "Angulo" yet.

You said come to think of it Rigondeaux hasn't shown an inside game, then added that because Lara didn't have one, is he overrated? I don't know what you were insinuating there. Rigondeaux with an Angulo, that wouldn't even serve as much of a test to be honest.

The reason why Angulo was able to take Lara's punches was because of the body punches that should have never taken place, that right there took steam out of Lara's punches. On top of that, Lara should have been going to the body as well, he should have thrown lead left hands to Angulo's mid section. Similar to how Mayweather ripped Guerrero with lead rights to the mid section.

[kiaba360]

Cotto not a natural '54-pounder. Again, I'm using the face of the division. How about Rosado, Kirkland, even Vanes has me convinced he's better than Canelo and Trout. It's a stacked division. Molina, I'm not big on -- especially after the Kirkland showing -- but he'd give Canelo and Trout work.

To say Lara is overrated because Angulo clipped him twice and slowed him down with body work.....

The only relevant LMW that Vanes has fought is Lara, so I wouldn't put him over Canelo/Trout. Kirkland fought Angulo/Molina, but he's been out for a while and we can't forget how chinny he is, so I wouldn't put him over Canelo/Trout. As much as I am a fan of Rosado, I don't think he's above Canelo/Trout either.

All these guys are of a similar caliber imo, with some having more obvious strengths than others. Canelo is the poster boy for the division, and that's alright as long as he fights solid LMW competition and not WWs.

[deejd]

You said come to think of it Rigondeaux hasn't shown an inside game, then added that because Lara didn't have one, is he overrated? I don't know what you were insinuating there. Rigondeaux with an Angulo, that wouldn't even serve as much of a test to be honest.

The reason why Angulo was able to take Lara's punches was because of the body punches that should have never taken place, that right there took steam out of Lara's punches. On top of that, Lara should have been going to the body as well, he should have thrown lead left hands to Angulo's mid section. Similar to how Mayweather ripped Guerrero with lead rights to the mid section.

I only added that because my point is that everybody has a flaw. Even those that are considered elite and ATGs. We don't even know if Rigo can fight inside or deal with an Angulo-type fighter yet because he hasn't fought that guy yet. Is it Mares? I don't think so, I can see Rigo stopping Mares early. He'll probably have to go up to '26 or even '30 (although, I don't see him growing that big since he's nearing mid-30's), to find that mixture of pressure and power.

You're absolutely right, Lara should have gone to the body with the straight left. As far as throwing body punches on the inside against Angulo. Bad idea. Russian Roulette. He tried ****ing in the fourth and ate that hook. Does that mean he's overrated? Apparently to some, but I don't agree.

[deejd]

The only relevant LMW that Vanes has fought is Lara, so I wouldn't put him over Canelo/Trout. Kirkland fought Angulo/Molina, but he's been out for a while and we can't forget how chinny he is, so I wouldn't put him over Canelo/Trout. As much as I am a fan of Rosado, I don't think he's above Canelo/Trout either.

All these guys are of a similar caliber imo, with some having more obvious strengths than others. Canelo is the poster boy for the division, and that's alright as long as he fights solid LMW competition and not WWs.

That's the thing, though. Canelo gassed by the 4th against Trout because he was finally fighting somebody his size, not some small guy he could impose his will. As far as the others, I agree with you -- still think it's a stack division, though.

According to some here, maybe Mayweather should fight in a phone booth with Canelo to prove he's legit.

[BendOver]

The same ppl that are downplaying Lara's performance are the same that always criticize Cuban boxing, it happens with Casamayor all the way to Rigondeaux, they just can't admit that a Cuban boxer could teach a lesson to a P4P boxer and fighter of the year, and can't admit that a fighter like Lara could take a punch from a known heavy hitter like Angulo and on top of that 10 pounds heavier, Angulo is slow but is a tremendous puncher and relentless, the ring was not that big either so it was done to favor the brawlers, stop with the nonsense and just enjoy a good fight when you see one, nobody expected this kind of war and ppl like Iron and dominicano were waiting to criticize lara for "running", "holding", "head butting" and other dirty tactics, didn't happen and you guys are shock, if you think that Canelo is a better fighter than Lara that is you opinion and a poor one I might add, there's a reason why GBP/WBC hasn't put Canelo against Angulo when he was the #1 contender and avoid Lara for the past 11/2 year, they not as confident as you guys, getting a controversial win against a feather fisted like Trout doesn't mean $h1t...

[MDPopescu]

- Showtime definitely has the better card
- Incredible Lara broke a human skull
- Terrible for Angulo, now that eye is a definite target
- Surprised to see the person who broke the bone boo'd and the guy who said 'I quit' cheered.

I had Angulo ahead on the score card.
The orbital bone droken? God, with what?
The poor guy is finished for boxing.

[Doctor_Tenma]

I only added that because my point is that everybody has a flaw. Even those that are considered elite and ATGs. We don't even know if Rigo can fight inside or deal with an Angulo-type fighter yet because he hasn't fought that guy yet. Is it Mares? I don't think so, I can see Rigo stopping Mares early. He'll probably have to go up to '26 or even '30 (although, I don't see him growing that big since he's nearing mid-30's), to find that mixture of pressure and power.

You're absolutely right, Lara should have gone to the body with the straight left. As far as throwing body punches on the inside against Angulo. Bad idea. Russian Roulette. He tried ****ing in the fourth and ate that hook. Does that mean he's overrated? Apparently to some, but I don't agree.

Based on the consensus on these boards, it's not disrespectful to say he is. It's not only his inability to fight in close, even Ouma lit Vanes up with combinations and looked better than Lara in spots. I think Lara needs to add more to his arsenal to replicate the hype he gets on here. You also added that he controls distance well, controls the pace, but that isn't entirely true, Angulo pretty much forced him to fight at a greater pace, as did Molina and again it all stems down to his inability to fight at close quarters. It's hard to rate Lara, or Molina due to all the shenanigans he went through, and I still feel Cotto is a top contender in the division. 154 is unorganized right now...

[El Malo.]

Man, fk the haters.

To take the punishment Lara took and then still be able to do the damage he did while hurt as well as late in the fight vs a guy who put on 20lbs overnight says a lot.

With that said, a lot of respect goes out to Angulo. That motherfker just kept coming and put it good on Lara.


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That's the point, Lara wasn't suppose to take that kind of damage especially from someone like Angulo. For fck sakes Angulo was just walking forward and following Lara without cutting off the ring and yet Lara was forced into the ropes. Lara well always have problems with any one who shows any kind of tendency to push forward, he doesn't know how to react to it and how to deal with it. Homie Perez, Hernandez, Molina Williams to some extend and now Angulo have shown that. And this are all B side fighters for the exception of Williams that gave him massive problems that a fighter like Lara with his skills shouldn't have much trouble boxing their ears off. If the frog Cintron could deal with Angulos pressure Lara should have been able to dance the Cucaracha around Angulo all night long.

[kiaba360]

That's the thing, though. Canelo gassed by the 4th against Trout because he was finally fighting somebody his size, not some small guy he could impose his will. As far as the others, I agree with you -- still think it's a stack division, though.

According to some here, maybe Mayweather should fight in a phone booth with Canelo to prove he's legit.

Canelo's suspect endurance/stamina and questionable chin is why I can't put him over the others yet. He might have more power than the others, but he seems to have the worse stamina and he has yet to find consistently good competition to prove me otherwise. He did good against Trout, now he needs to follow that up.