Comments Thread For: Gomez: Mayweather Never Fought a Mexican Like This

[mannyfresh209]

Just like what you said about Canelo not fighting any household names, Berto hadn't either yet you gave him more credit. Why? Maybe you are just trying to boost up Floyd's previous opponents?

Now taking what I said into account, who did Ortiz and Guerrero beat at WW? How many fights at WW have they had to justify your claim?

Are you slow? My first post was in response to someone saying Canelo deserves more credit. As if Floyd unanimously gets all credit to his name at this stage of his career lol.

Second post was saying why Ortiz and Guerrero got a shot at Floyd. Ortiz had FOTY with Berto that year he fought Floyd. Berto, AT THE TIME he fought Ortiz, was considered a top 3-4 contender in the WW division. Guerrero was interim WBC champion, coming off a very impressive win again over Berto. If you dispute this, you should go check it out yourself. Floyd never fought Berto, so why would I use that to "boost" Floyd's resume? That's like saying Canelo beat Cotto, cuz Trout beat Cotto, and Canelo beat Trout. No...just no.

[ADP02]

Are you slow? My first post was in response to someone saying Canelo deserves more credit. As if Floyd unanimously gets all credit to his name at this stage of his career lol.

Second post was saying why Ortiz and Guerrero got a shot at Floyd. Ortiz had FOTY with Berto that year he fought Floyd. Berto, AT THE TIME he fought Ortiz, was considered a top 3-4 contender in the WW division. Guerrero was interim WBC champion, coming off a very impressive win again over Berto. If you dispute this, you should go check it out yourself. Floyd never fought Berto, so why would I use that to "boost" Floyd's resume? That's like saying Canelo beat Cotto, cuz Trout beat Cotto, and Canelo beat Trout. No...just no.

You are using Berto as a reason for Ortiz and Guerrero to get the shot at Floyd BUT Berto never fought any legit opponent. Ortiz and Guerrero beat that Berto to become who they are. They did NOTHING else at WW.

Canelo, I would agree was in a similar boat until he beat Trout but at least he had been at 154 for a while .... but Canelo still needed more fights against quality opponents ..... but it is what it is.

For you, winning against Berto must lead to a fight with Floyd. I on the other hand expect more ....

[Tobi.G]

canelo is all hype...

He was all hype before he beat Trout. Now hes more than hype. Mayweather has fought better opponents before but that is some years and weight classes ago. And he has only fought one opponent that was physically comparable to Alvarez and that is DLH who was already past his prime but still it was a close fight. I think Mayweather will beat Alvarez but it will be no easy night for him.
The difference in weight and power will be huge, of course Floyd has a huge skill advantage but that youth, size and power will not be easy to overcome. And remeber Floyd is already 36.

[mannyfresh209]

You are using Berto as a reason for Ortiz and Guerrero to get the shot at Floyd BUT Berto never fought any legit opponent. Ortiz and Guerrero beat that Berto to become who they are. They did NOTHING else at WW.

Canelo, I would agree was in a similar boat until he beat Trout but at least he had been at 154 for a while .... but Canelo still needed more fights against quality opponents ..... but it is what it is.

For you, winning against Berto must lead to a fight with Floyd. I on the other hand expect more ....

Was Berto not a top 4 WW at the time he fought Ortiz? My point isn't to discredit Canelo in terms of deserving a fight with Floyd. My point is to the poster who said nobody is giving Canelo props for his accomplishments, whereas a HUGE chunk of the boxing-watching public fails to recognize Floyd for his. Whereas, Floyd has a pretty good resume by anybody's standards if you really break it down.

Against, my point isn't to say that Canelo does not deserve his shot. He does, absolutely. My point is that if you say Canelo deserves his RESPECT for his career accomplishments, thus far, then how come Mayweather struggles so much to earn his just due and the fans' respect?

[FURYJONES]

So in your point of view who's got something special to fight Floyd? GTFO you a ****** Floyd fan not a Boxing fan, PERIOD!

Stfu chump, evidently you can somewhat read words but lack comprehensive detail. Point proven in my post, you dislike a man so much that you will vouch for any opponent despite not having a notable career....do me a favor and cry that response to a poster that g's a f***! Get off my forum until you have some legitimate convo!

[thuggery]

I agree, I see a lot of resemblance between Canelo and Sweet Pea, but Canelo isn't featherfisted. My only concern is the catch weight which will drain Canelo.

[daggum]

castillo beat floyd, gomez beat castillo, canelo beat gomez, this is a mismatch. canelo showed he mastered the shoulder roll against gomez.

[ADP02]

Was Berto not a top 4 WW at the time he fought Ortiz? My point isn't to discredit Canelo in terms of deserving a fight with Floyd. My point is to the poster who said nobody is giving Canelo props for his accomplishments, whereas a HUGE chunk of the boxing-watching public fails to recognize Floyd for his. Whereas, Floyd has a pretty good resume by anybody's standards if you really break it down.

Against, my point isn't to say that Canelo does not deserve his shot. He does, absolutely. My point is that if you say Canelo deserves his RESPECT for his career accomplishments, thus far, then how come Mayweather struggles so much to earn his just due and the fans' respect?

Your point about Floyd deserving more respect is accurate because Canelo has not done much .... but things have changed now that he fought Trout and now will be fighting Floyd. When has Floyd ever fought that kind of competition? Never ... but again. I agree with that point.

What I disagree with you is that you downplay Canelo and say "who has he fought?" but don't say the same about Berto. You say that Berto was ranked high but Canelo has 2 titles at 154. Again, I agree that Canelo has a very suspect record up until now but Berto's is worse.

So going by what I said, Ortiz and Guerrero only beat Berto. So why did you legitimize that more than Canelo?

All 3 fighters had to show more if you go by my standards but I can see why they would take the fight.

[jinx_htx]

Mayweather barely beat Cotto. Trout clearly beat cotto. Canelo outclassed, outboxed, and DROPPED Trout with one punch.

Ortiz was GETTING ON FLOYD'S ASS. Yea floyd was catching Ortiz with the straight right but Ortiz was walking right through floyd's weak punches. The fight was even when floyd took the coward way out and sucker punched Ortiz. Josesito Lopez went toe to toe with ortiz and broke his jaw. Canelo DESTROYED Lopez from start to finish.

Mosely almost knocked floyd out and gave floyd trouble up until the late rounds. Canelo DOMINATED mosely from start to finish.

Floyd was in trouble against Ortiz until he took the b*tch way out. Canelo is going to pick up where Ortiz left off.

Floyd isn't this elite god you people make him out to be. He's just quick enough to run and pot shot for 12 rounds. That **** ain't going to be enough against Canelo.

[mannyfresh209]

Your point about Floyd deserving more respect is accurate because Canelo has not done much .... but things have changed now that he fought Trout and now will be fighting Floyd. When has Floyd ever fought that kind of competition? Never ... but again. I agree with that point.

What I disagree with you is that you downplay Canelo and say "who has he fought?" but don't say the same about Berto. You say that Berto was ranked high but Canelo has 2 titles at 154. Again, I agree that Canelo has a very suspect record up until now but Berto's is worse.

So going by what I said, Ortiz and Guerrero only beat Berto. So why did you legitimize that more than Canelo?

All 3 fighters had to show more if you go by my standards but I can see why they would take the fight.

My dude, I'm not saying Floyd deserves more respect than Canelo. I'm also NOT saying "who has Canelo fought?" The original post I made was in response to someone saying Canelo deserves all this respect, blah blah blah. I said it's funny how people are demanding respect be paid to Canelo for what he's done, yet you have to pull teeth for people to give Mayweather respect for what he's done. I'm not downplaying Canelo, per se, I'm asking why is it so hard for people to give Mayweather the professional respect he undoubtedly deserves?

My second point was answering why Ortiz got the Mayweather fight. At the time, Berto (regardless of who he had fought up until then), was considered my MOST the 3rd or 4th best WW in the world. So Floyd, who attended the fight between he and Ortiz, was basically scouting Berto to see who his probable next opponent was gonna be. Ortiz ended up winning, changed the perception of Berto being 3-4 ranked @ 147, and got the fight with Floyd.

Guerrero beat Aydin and Berto in his campaigns @ 147, and also at the time, there was not many "better" options for Floyd out there. I'm not justifying those victories for Floyd based on them going through Berto. I'm explaining how/why they got the fight with Floyd, Berto was just a common denominator.

Againnnn though, I'm not bashing Canelo. I respect Canelo for what he's done in the ring. He's not the best boxer in the world, of course. But, at 22 years old he's already made a huge name for himself by being ONE of the best. I just was basically pointing out that it's VERY rare you come across somebody who's NOT a Mayweather Fan, that actually is willing to accept him for what he is inside the ring and give him his props. That's all