Comments Thread For: Frank Warren: Calzaghe Greater, Would've Beaten Froch!

[Kilrain]

It should be obvious to anyone that Froch's resume is FAR better than Joe's. As for a head-to-head, I don't think either dominates. Calzaghe's fans like to suggest he was some immortal, infallible foe; he wasn't. He won very tight decisions against Robin Reid and Hopkins, he was dropped by Hop and Roy Jones, and he had a very tough fight with Kessler.

I also think too many people are tossing around the term "past his prime" to describe Kessler. Certainly he is in the final phase of his career, but he is still a very good boxer; is there really a ton of difference between the Kessler of 07 and the one Froch beat the other week? No. More economical maybe, but he's hardly a battle-worn veteran just fighting for a paycheck. He is still near his athletic prime.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Calzaghe was a better fighter. I think most people on this thread agree..

but alot are underestimating Joe's resume..

Had 20 defenses of his title...
CLEANED OUT his division...
BEAT UNDEFEATED Prime Jeff lacy...People say lacy was never that good but he was a beast until Joe beat the living daylights out of him... Joe was the underdog going into that fight.. Just because lacy never recovered from that beating doesnt mean he was a weak opponent at the time.
BEAT UNDEFEATED Prime Kessler
WAS Lineal champ at SuperMiddle and at Light heavy.... Froch has never been THE MAN in any division..
Froch does have a tremendous resume but i think he is just a step below Joe

[DreamFighter]

so why didn't he fight froch then?

Cal was happy to challenge froch when froch was a youngling, but not when Froch built up a winning streak. That's the wrong way round!Surely a world champion should challenge people who are winning, not when they are nothings? why does Calzaghe get away with doing the opposite of what a world champion should do? Is it because his face fits in this media friendly century?

JC was happy to fight lots of british bums for years. but not froch the british champ. why? why fight well below british champ level for so long, and then refuse to fight the british champion claiming he wasn't big enough?

Did Froch, Bute, even cheating Ottke switch to fighting old legends instead of the next logical contender. Why does Joe get away with such flatulence towards his fanbase? Its very insulting to the Welsh.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

so why didn't he fight froch then?

Cal was happy to challenge froch when froch was a youngling, but not when he built up a winning streak. That's the wrgon way round, surely a champion should challenge people who are winning, not when they are nothing? why such an avoidance of the normal behaviour of a champ?

JC was happy to fight lots of british bums for years. but not froch the british champ. why? why fight well below british champ level for so long, and then refuse to fight the british champion claiming he wasn't big enough?

Same could be said about Froch.
Why isnt he fighting Degale, Groves, etc
Guys maybe good but they bring no money to the table.. Called risk/reward
Froch didnt bring enough money to the table until he beat taylor.. by that time joe was retired..
Joe did fight alot of bums, but he was building his name.. Once he became a name, he fought top guys like kessler, lacy, bika, hopkins..

[DreamFighter]

Same could be said about Froch.
Why isnt he fighting Degale, Groves, etc

a premature judgement. Can anyone really judge Froch as an avoider. Wait and see if he fights them. All the evidence suggests he wont shirk the biggest challenges, not one iota of it suggests he will avoid it.

Joe did fight alot of bums, but he was building his name.. Once he became a name, he fought top guys like kessler, lacy, bika, hopkins..

like Kessler, you mean.

That's basically it for the 11 year reign at SMW, that and Reid. Two 45 minute bouts.

I disagree that building bumfights for a decade is something a world champion should logically do. To me that's what a regional champ does.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

a premature judgement. Can anyone really judge Froch as an avoider. Wait and see if he fights them. All the evidence suggests he wont shirk the biggest challenges, not one iota of it suggests he will avoid it.


like Kessler, you mean.

That's basically it for the 11 year reign at SMW, that and Reid. Two 45 minute bouts.

I disagree that building bumfights for a decade is something a world champion should logically do. To me that's what a regional champ does.

Not saying that froch ducks guys, but if guys are good youngsters, let them build their name so the reward equals the risk... Froch built his name but Joe was already retired by that time. Same can be said about joe when he was coming up, Eubanks fought him, but toney, RJJ, benn, etc were already
ending their prime SMW days..
It's just a timing thing

[A-Wolf]

Couldn't disagree more with Warren. Maybe he thinks none of us were around when Calzaghe vs. Kessler happened? Kessler was extremely one handed back then. Far more so than he is today. He absolutely was not a better fighter than he is now at that point.

Kessler's handspeed and timing were truly excellent against Froch in their rematch and he had his left hand going beautifully. That version of Kessler would have given Calzaghe way more problems. I'm calling BS.

[Ravens Fan]

like Kessler, you mean.

That's basically it for the 11 year reign at SMW, that and Reid. Two 45 minute bouts.

I disagree that building bumfights for a decade is something a world champion should logically do. To me that's what a regional champ does.

From the Eubanks to the Jones fights Joe fought 24 times. Nine of those fighters were former or current world champs when Joe fought them. Twelve of the twenty four were also ranked in the top ten by Ring Magazine when they fought. How many of the other twelve were mandatory I am not sure but I beat at least half of them where. So, I believe that is enough to dispel your "bum fights for decade" theory.

[The Comic DON]

Couldn't disagree more with Warren. Maybe he thinks none of us were around when Calzaghe vs. Kessler happened? Kessler was extremely one handed back then. Far more so than he is today. He absolutely was not a better fighter than he is now at that point.

Kessler's handspeed and timing were truly excellent against Froch in their rematch and he had his left hand going beautifully. That version of Kessler would have given Calzaghe way more problems. I'm calling BS.

I think Kesseler doing better against Froch has more to do with how limitied Froch is rather then Kesseler improving. I couldn't see the Kesseler that fought JC being man handled like that against Ward. The main difference is confidence. Once you lose that first fight at a world stage, you're never the same.

As for JC being better then Froch, I think we all know he is. Bika, Reid, Lacy, Kesseler, Jones, Eubank, and Hopkins is just as good is not better then beating Taylor, Pascal, Dirrel, Kesseler, Bute, and Abraham.

[A-Wolf]

I think Kesseler doing better against Froch has more to do with how limitied Froch is rather then Kesseler improving. I couldn't see the Kesseler that fought JC being man handled like that against Ward. The main difference is confidence. Once you lose that first fight at a world stage, you're never the same.

As for JC being better then Froch, I think we all know he is. Bika, Reid, Lacy, Kesseler, Jones, Eubank, and Hopkins is just as good is not better then beating Taylor, Pascal, Dirrel, Kesseler, Bute, and Abraham.

Ok, I can smell an agenda here. Of course you're going to mention Ward. It's obvious what all this crap is about. Say whatever you would like, homie. You're free to propagandize as much as you prefer.