Ward and Froch fought on virtually neutral grounds

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  • Levity
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    Ward and Froch fought on virtually neutral grounds

    *Let me preface this by noting, in an attempt to pre-empt red herrings, that I'm addressing how the location of Ward-Froch impacted their bout, not the more general issue of whether it's fair or unfair that Andre Ward has fought only in the US, while other top boxers had to come to the US to fight him.

    I think it's reductive to claim that fighting in one's country is significantly advantageous to the home-country fighter in bouts against foreign boxers. The interaction between cultural factors and bout specifics, such as where in the country the bout is occurring and who is fighting, is too varied to make such a blanket statement.

    Boxing support in the U.S. tends to be localized (e.g. Philly fans supporting Philly fighters) or linked to ethnicity in certain cases (e.g. boxers of Mexican descent tend to be supported my Mexican fans regardless of where in the U.S. or whether they are American or fighting an American). It doesn't seem to be true, however, that nationality usually leads to broad American support for American boxers in contests against foreigners. I thought this was evident in Ward's bout against Froch, as there was hardly great support for the former in an absolute or relative sense; it may even be that Froch had more support at the fight than Ward did.

    There are other advantages commonly gained by being the hometown fighter, but I'm not sure if those were relevant to the Ward-Froch outcome. Ward didn't benefit from unfair officiating, as the referee didn't interact with the fighters such that it benefitted Ward, and two of the judges' scores were harsh to Ward. If Ward did have hometown advantages, they were probably small and stemmed from Froch having to travel a greater distance to reach Atlantic City, and presumably having to make larger adjustments. However, Froch already had big-fight experience in the US and more specifically Atlantic City (unlike Ward) which likely helped him adjust more readily to the different environment and time-zone.

    So, Ward didn't have hometown support, hometown officiating, or hometown experience in his favor. So why do some people think that to give us a better idea of how they truly compare, Ward needs to rematch Froch in England, where Froch would probably have prolific and vociferous support that Ward didn't have in Atlantic City, and where Ward would face a level of hostility that Froch didn't face in Atlantic City?
    Last edited by Levity; 05-25-2013, 09:22 PM.
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    #2
    I agree with this. The only advantage Ward had in that fight would be the reduced jet lag he dealt with in comparison to Froch. I'm a fan of the Cobra but I think he keeps mentioning a fight with Ward in England because he knows if he can make it competitive, he'll get the nod. Andre Ward has nothing to prove by travelling outside of the states. He beats everyone put in front of him and in pretty dominant fashion.

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    • DanboSmitty
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      I don't think location had any real significant impact on the fight, of course people on here are going to make up excuses for their favourite fighters. Wherever it happens for the 2nd fight (here's hoping) I think it will play out much like the first regardless.

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      • The Hammer
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        #4
        Originally posted by Levity
        So, Ward didn't have hometown support, hometown officiating, or hometown experience in his favor.
        Ward always had home country advantage.

        Oakland and Atlantic City are both in the USA, just like Nottingham and London are both in the UK.

        To say Atlantic City was a neutral location because it wasn't Ward's hometown is the equivalent of saying London would be a neutral location for a rematch since it's not Froch's hometown.

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        • thuggery
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          #5
          Originally posted by Freedom.
          Ward always had home country advantage.

          Oakland and Atlantic City are both in the USA, just like Nottingham and London are both in the UK.

          To say Atlantic City was a neutral location because it wasn't Ward's hometown is the equivalent of saying London would be a neutral location for a rematch since it's not Froch's hometown.
          Freedom laying down the facts.

          Plus over here in the US, we'd much rather watch warriors like Froch over boring clinchers and headbutters like Ward. The TV rating show for it.

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          • crold1
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            Ward didn't win because it was in the US. He's just better than Froch. Doesn't mean Froch couldn't win a rematch (in the US or at home); it's just long odds. I am all for champions traveling, but it's not like Ward isn't making the fights he should (even if he could be more active, sans injuries).

            I'm cool if they fight again wherever. Makes more ticket selling sense overseas. They could do a stadium. Ward could make a statement if he wants to.

            I'd rather see Kessler III.

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            • Levity
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              Freedom missed my point.

              My point was that fighting in one's own country doesn't always in itself result in an advantage for the home-country fighter, so the obvious fact that the bout occurred in the USA doesn't effectively counter my post.

              What would counter my post would be well-reasoned arguments about how fighting in Atlantic City was advantageous to Ward; did the crowd effectively spur him on while being hostile to Froch? Were the officials biased towards Ward? Was Ward more used to fighting in that particular venue than Froch was?

              The answer to all of these questions is no, meaning that conditions in which the bout occurred probably didn't improve Ward's performance more than they did Froch's performance.
              Last edited by Levity; 05-25-2013, 11:56 PM.

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              • The_Demon
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                Ward would beat Froch in any country,he is the better all round fighter and a stylistic nightmare for the cobra

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                • Joey_Torreo
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                  I thinks it's only fair that thy fight in England. I understand the op statement and completly agree but its the right thing to do. If not, then both parties can go their separate ways, but I see froch having alot more options than ward at this moment. It seems that froch and his team are more easy to negotiate with and the boxing world knows this which will open more doors for froch
                  Last edited by Joey_Torreo; 05-25-2013, 11:39 PM.

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                  • Biolink
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                    The Kessler was one thing, but people need to stop pretending like the ref/judging had any impact whatsoever in the first Ward-Froch fight. He outclassed Froch front to back so he doesn't owe him any favors. The only thing it becomes a question of is if Ward needs the money or wants to increase his international profile that badly.

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