Should There Be A SuperHeavyweight Division In Pro Boxing?

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  • Mr. Violence
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    #11
    Originally posted by tri4ben2
    Theoretically, a professional 150 pound fighter should beat a 140 pound fighter. I am not taking about your second teir fighters, I am taking about the champions. For example, I like Pac, but I don't think he could beat any of the top 5 140 pounders without putting on the 10 or so pounds.

    After you get to a certain weight, it is difficult to continue to be as effective. Example De La Hoya- fantastic at 130-140, but slipped when he got heavier.

    That is not true with heavies.

    If there were 4 heavyweight classes, the best 220 pund fighter could easily say that he could beat the best 240 pound fighter.

    For the heavyweight division, size only matters when you can use it to your advantage. Same with height. VK uses his height beautifully, but Grant doesn't.


    I see your point...but don't you think there is a point where Science and Physics takes over and size becomes the advantage despite the skills of the fighter...For example in my humble opinion I think James Toney has better skills then Lennox Lewis...but if they were to fight.. Lennox would probably beat him just because he is just too big,just too much power to deal with...despite their skill levels. Just a thought.
    Last edited by Mr. Violence; 01-13-2005, 09:53 PM.

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    • miron_lang
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      #12
      NO. There's not much difference in power or size on fighters above 200lbs

      A fighter below 200 ( Marciano ) can KTFO fighters 20+lbs heavier (Walcott).

      A 193lbs former Middleweight can outbox a legit alphabet HW Champion.

      A SUPERHEAVYWEIGHT division only adds to confusion on who are the rated fighters.

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      • tonytucker
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        #13
        Apart from Holyfield and Jones, who has one the heavyweight title and weighed less than 210 pounds? I mean since 1990 say. Later brother brolog.

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        • Mr. Violence
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          #14
          Originally posted by tonytucker
          Apart from Holyfield and Jones, who has one the heavyweight title and weighed less than 210 pounds? I mean since 1990 say. Later brother brolog.


          Michael Spinks Vs. Larry Holmes was between 200-210 lbs.

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          • Toller
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            #15
            If somebody couldn't naturally take more weight than say 205 lbs, they'd be more of a blown up cruiserweight than a proper heavyweight. If he wanted to fight against similar size opponents he could fight at Cruiser, if he wanted to go after the big fights he could try at HW.

            There's always going to be a cut off point somewhere for the heavyweights, and I reckon it's about right as it is.

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            • tonytucker
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              #16
              Originally posted by johnny swift
              Michael Spinks Vs. Larry Holmes was between 200-210 lbs.
              Yes , but that was 1985-86 Johnny. If since 1990 only 2 guys have won it under 210 pounds then it should start at 210-not 190 or 200 pounds.You should make rules for the majority and not 2 guys(really one) that have come along in the span of at least 15 years. Not sure about Herbie Hide and Chris Bird though-there weight I mean when they won there titles.Later brother brolog.

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              • STEELHEAD
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                #17
                if you use 240+lbs for superheavyweight would there be enough boxers in contention. frankly the heavyweight division is in sad shape. some are out of shape clowns.

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                  #18
                  Heavyweight 200-225
                  Superheavyweight 225-250
                  overweight 250-300
                  Superoverweight 300-350
                  Sumo weight 350-450
                  Super Sumo Weight 450+

                  Where does it end?
                  I don't think they should add another weight class, but I do think they should adjust the current weight classes.

                  Heavyweight 225+ ?

                  In the last hundred years the average height of a man has gone up 6" and their weight has gone up accordingly. For example, George Washington was 6'2". Today's equivalent would be 7'6".

                  This trend isn't going to stop, so boxing is going to have to adjust to it.

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                  • Soundtraveler
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                    #19
                    I personaly don't care to see someone who is 6'7" and 260lbs fighting some 5'10 and 195lb guy, that much weight advantage and that much reach advantage is just too damn much...

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                      #20
                      I agree, to be an effective small heavyweight like chris byrd you have to run around the ring doing acrobats trying to not get ktfo.Thats great and all but he doesnt ko anyone. Its always 12 round sc****-bys and it sucks.Chris loves getting hit and then make an ugly crazy facethat scrams"you didnt knock me out". He will never beat the big boys convincingly.
                      I think instead of tarnishing heaveys more than they all ready are,,Make cruiser up to "215" or "220".
                      I think having a heaveyweight and a superheavyweight would take away from the good old "heavyweight"
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