TBRB doesn't see Wlad as the HW Champ

[techliam]

I'm just wondering how many of you actually agree with the logic they've used there. He hasn't fought the no.2 of the division, that being Vitali.

Now, I totally agree that organisations shouldn't be doing what the RING is doing now... that is giving belts with all sorts of technicalities in criteria - the no.1 and no.2 fighting should ONLY be awarded the "true" champion status. The RING belt is practically worthless and serves much the same purpose as the WBC Diamond belt.

But just because of personal family circumstances, them being brothers, I don't think the rules should be bent. Rules are rules, and I think both should accept that by not fighting, noone could establish true dominance unless one either drops in rank or retires (or fight). This isn't to say I think they should fight, I believe they have made the right choice. I just believe TBRB have gone about the situation the right way.

Put shorter, I think Wlad is the man of the division, but it's fair not to rank him the "true" champ of the division just because his brother is also there.

What do you guys feel about that?

PS for any overly critical posters on this forum, i'm a huge fan of the Klitschkos.

EDIT: if you haven't seen TBRB before, check here http://www.tbrb.org/all-rankings/#heavy

[xLuKeYx]

Whoever is "the man" doesn't have to fight number 2, he's already "the man". The onus should be on number 2 to knock him off his perch.

Put simply, Wlad is "the man" and should be ranked as such by everyone.

[techliam]

Whoever is "the man" doesn't have to fight number 2, he's already "the man". The onus should be on number 2 to knock him off his perch.

Put simply, Wlad is "the man" and should be ranked as such by everyone.

By "the man" I assume you mean the champion.

Sure, but if Wlad isn't the Champion and instead no.1, I don't think the responsibility is solely left to the no.2. In fact, they won't fight and so we see the TBRB logic - there can be no champion of the division as it is now.

Can you explain your reasoning of the bolded part? That's an assumption that TBRB haven't made clearly

[marsatari]

I think he means that regardless of the way they have it ranked the general thought is that wvlad is the heavyweight champion....he has all of the hardware except wbc which is held by his bro.....I don't think the fact that no1 and no2 wont fight does not make him less of a champ or not worthy of the notion of being undisputed...I disagree little about your assesement of the ring belt....I think that even with the politics involved with the belt (gbp) that it is at least consistant for the most part and does usually reflect the opinions of the pundits as well as the gen boxing public

[HWChampion]

Doesn't the lineage start with Wladimir beating chagaev? So wlad doesn't need to beat no 2.

[crold1]

Doesn't the lineage start with Wladimir beating chagaev? So wlad doesn't need to beat no 2.

Depends who you ask. I'm a founding member of TBRB and disagree strongly with the other chairs on this (as you'll not in the site ratings here). It will iron out. The underlying principle is correct. 1-2 should be the ONLY way to crown a champ when there is not one and that never happened. I think this 1-2 required an exception.

[MikeRo1972]

I see your point but at the end of the days it seems like its purely semantics. Vlad is ranked #1 with no one elevated above him. My guess is they're sticking to their rules. 1 must beat 2.

[ßringer]

WTF is 'TBRB' and how long before they have an alphabet belt of their own?

[Szef]

WTF is 'TBRB' and how long before they have an alphabet belt of their own?

TBRB is the better, unbiased version of The Ring....

[MikeRo1972]

WTF is 'TBRB' and how long before they have an alphabet belt of their own?

There are no sanctioning fees. They're not trying to he an alphabet either. They are filling the void left behind by The Ring when they changed their rankings policy and thereby turned into just another belt looking for any fighter to give a belt to.