lucas matthysse busted eye vs Vivian harris.

[deejd]

Exactly.
Many great fighters have had fights that they looked less than impressive against opposition that isn't in the same class as themselves. Most of the time it's a learning experience. Corley gave Floyd some trouble, and Marquez had a very tough fight with Jandang he almost had Marquez's eye swollen shut.

As a matter of fact, if you watch the Corley-Matthysse fight--Corley was knocked down repeatedly over the eight rounds it lasted, but one of the things he showed was that if you fight Matthysse, you have to keep it in the center of the ring. The moment you put your back against the ropes is when he senses blood.

Unless you're Mayweather, avoid the ropes.

[deejd]

People clutching at straws. If you look hard enough for something you'll find it!
It reminds me in a way how so many made a massive deal of Marroquinn landing a counter left hook on Rigondeaux despite him staying upright.
If anything that wasn't a flaw that was exposed, it was a strength.
He did what a pro fighter should when hurt. He created room, landed a beautiful bodyshot then tied his man up and made sure his head was clear.

On top of that; Marroquin is legit fighter. People tried to discredit him before the Rigo fight, but knowing his amateur background and size, I knew it was a good test for Rigo. He can crack as well, wouldn't mind seeing him in with Donaire at some point.

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Originally Posted by joesaiditstrue

he outlanded Alexander (139-116), Judah (165-150, 137 were power shots), Ajose (290-153, 263 power shots), Peterson (32-23), Soto (102-83), etc

he basically outlands every opponent he has faced when the stage is big, and yet he's the guy who has holes in his defense

If you pay attention he actually doesn't get hit much, he catches most shots with his gloves and finishes most of his fights virtually unscathed; I think the compubox numbers just confirm it.
I'm not sure where these "he has no defense" myth comes from...?

The thing is, a lot of people don't have the eye for that kind of thing. If you ain't Floyd, Rigo or prime Tyson then your defense sucks.



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[deejd]

I think speed would be his biggest problem at 140. Someone who is fast enough to land on him and get away, because Matthysse is slow. Even then, they would need a chin or the strength to clinch him inside without letting his hands free.

There's no one like that at 140 though, which is why I'm so confident he'll beat any of the top fighters there. 147, not sure. The power would be there, but he's not big at 140, so he may not be able to take huge punches at welterweight.

He's been coming in to fights at JMW since the Judah fight.

[bojangles1987]

He's been coming in to fights at JMW since the Judah fight.

Welterweights these days end up in the high 150s and even the 160s.

I'm not saying Matthysse can't move up, I'm only saying he's not a big guy and it's not a certainty he'd be just as good. We'll find out soon enough, welterweight and Floyd Mayweather is where he's heading after Garcia.

[joesaiditstrue]

He's been coming in to fights at JMW since the Judah fight.

he's also 5'6 which is what people mean when they say he isn't a big dude

[dan_cov]

On top of that; Marroquin is legit fighter. People tried to discredit him before the Rigo fight, but knowing his amateur background and size, I knew it was a good test for Rigo. He can crack as well, wouldn't mind seeing him in with Donaire at some point.

Hes a good fighter, still very young too. I wouldn't doubt he'll be a world champion in the near future. I checked this morning actually & noticed hes fighting Daniel Diaz at a 128 catchweight. Surely he hasn't outgrown Featherweight already.
If he can still make Feather I'd like to see him fight Donaire if he does move up.

[New England]

People clutching at straws. If you look hard enough for something you'll find it!
It reminds me in a way how so many made a massive deal of Marroquinn landing a counter left hook on Rigondeaux despite him staying upright.
If anything that wasn't a flaw that was exposed, it was a strength.
He did what a pro fighter should when hurt. He created room, landed a beautiful bodyshot then tied his man up and made sure his head was clear.

there was plenty of reason to question rigondeaux's chin leading up to and after that incident. i still think it might be his downfall.

rigondeaux's chin is still in question, in my opinion. it's obviously not complete glass, but he's going to need to do much more to make me think it is strong.


matthysse's had a much longer run at or around the top. he's never fought nonito donaire, but he's been in there with good guys and we know what he's got. his chin is very solid, he's got an effective style in terms of landing leather, and he can ****. he's a rough go. he'll be a rough go at 147. there aren't any huge WW out there.

[dan_cov]

there was plenty of reason to question rigondeaux's chin leading up to and after that incident. i still think it might be his downfall.

rigondeaux's chin is still in question, in my opinion. it's obviously not complete glass, but he's going to need to do much more to make me think it is strong.


matthysse's had a much longer run at or around the top. he's never fought nonito donaire, but he's been in there with good guys and we know what he's got. his chin is very solid, he's got an effective style in terms of landing leather, and he can ****. he's a rough go. he'll be a rough go at 147. there aren't any huge WW out there.

You can't hit Rigondeaux's chin, he is Houdini
Naa his chin is fine, I wouldn't say it was granite but its definitely not glass.
The guys who have bothered him for a split second are all far bigger than him, maybe 2-3 weight classes difference on the night.
He can be hit and hurt but following up seems an impossible task.
You allow him that split second to recover and the ship has sailed. He seems to have very good recuperative abilities.

[BennyST]

That's what I'll never understand, the bold. The best puncher Matthysse has been in against is coincidentally gun shy as well, Zab Judah. How do we know he can consistently take big shots from Garcia, who is also undoubtedly the biggest puncher Matthysse would have ever faced?

Admittedly, Harris did land a couple of good shots, one really clean right in particular, and if Harris' skills were all but gone, his power was still there. One thing that Harris always had a lot of was power. His right hand could be brutal when he landed a good one and the one he landed on Matthyse was clean and hard and he took it very well.

At this point I'm happy to say he has a good chin. Whether it stands up to an unseen left hook during an exchange, or a series of left hooks over a full fight remains to be seen.

Speaking of the Harris fight, that is the one of the worst stoppages I've ever seen. An absolute hometown disgrace of a fight. POS ref.