Heavyweights on the PFP list?

[LacedUp]

There's a huge difference carrying 200 + lbs and fighting like Mayweather does you wont be anywhere near as agile and elusive because you will be no matter what a very big guy.

Heavyweight division it can take just one punch whereas I'm not saying lighter divisions can't punch and knock out with one punch but the fact is when you're that big anyone can really knock you out there's a bigger caution to be aware of.

Andre Ward I can imagine his style as a heavyweight though but come on there is no chance in hell Rigondeaux 6ft6 230lbs fighting the same way he did against Donaire for 12 rounds that would never happen he'd be gassed, there's a reason why long distance runners don't weigh much (this isn't a dig at Rigo) its because more muscle you're more like to dehydrate/gass out.

Love that little bit of drool coming from Wlad's mouth in your gif.

[LELBRON]

Yes it was.

When "p4p lists" 1st started appearing in the RING magazine, it was in a time when Sugar Ray Leonard, a Welterweight, was more popular, had larger drawing power, earned more money, and garnered more media attention than the Heavyweight champ (Larry Holmes). Holmes fights with Ali & Cooney are the only times when he was able to outdraw Leonard. I think it's safe to say that isn't the reason why the RING created p4p lists.

[LacedUp]

Because I know you're a huge fan of his and If he did beat Wladimir you'd be dissapointed with Haye not even breaking into the top ten of the P4P list, I know for a fact you wouldn't put him as low as 11th.

My previous comment about that, some styles can work for heavies but most can't its easy saying
"ooh If Manny or Rigo was a heavyweight they'd dominate"
But you have to take into account these guys wont move as fast and as agile so I don't feel like that is the case.

"Huge fan". I'm a huge fan of Kessler's and I like to watch David Haye fight. I think he's the most entertaining HW by a mile, but he's not my favorite fighter by any stretch of the imagination.

And no, I wouldn't be disappointed, but if he did beat Wlad he surely would deserve a place in the top 10 seeing as Wlad is almost ranked in everyone's top 10.

When Haye was the CW king a lot of people had him in their P4P top 10 including some big sports journos- just for the record.

[Weebler I]

It's just a list to show the best fighter on the planet, weight not included.

In real terms, in the ring, Wladimir Klitschko is the best fighter on the planet. He can beat all the other heavyweights and would beat the PFP list inside an hour.

We have weight classes to give smaller fighters a chance to show what they can do, just like we have women's boxing to give female fighters a chance to show what they can do.

If there were no weight classes Wladimir would considered to be at the top of the hill, yet these lists put have put him as low as #6.

I agree with the author of the article being HW champ is enough, he is above the lists for smaller fighters. IMO he shouldn't even be on the list.

[LacedUp]

In real terms, in the ring, Wladimir Klitschko is the best fighter on the planet. He can beat all the other heavyweights and would beat the PFP list inside an hour.

We have weight classes to give smaller fighters a chance to show what they can do, just like we have women's boxing to give female fighters a chance to show what they can do.

If there were no weight classes Wladimir would considered to be at the top of the hill, yet these lists put have put him as low as #6.

I agree with the author of the article being HW champ is enough, he is above the lists for smaller fighters. IMO he shouldn't even be on the list.

Well, though he would beat everyone, it doesn't make him the best. The best fighter is obviously a comparison between a fighters size, his skills and his resume. But I guess P4P can be interpreted differently, but I see it as who the best would be if everyone was the same size. Wlad wouldn't be on my top 10.

[King_]

I hate putting heavyweights on the p4p list, because if I'm being honest I don't think Wlad would beat most, if any, of the fighters on that list if they were all the same size. Mayweather vs. Wlad, if they're both the same size? It's a massacre in Mayweather's favor. Same with Ward or Pacquiao or Mares or Donaire or Rigondeaux, etc.

I've only recently relented and put Wlad on the list because I really don't have a choice. He deserves it with so many other p4p fighters losing.

I just don't understand people who say this. It absolutely boggles my mind someone with 20,000 posts on this site can say something so ******.

That's like me saying "I don't think Shaquille O'Neal would be able to post up Allen Iversln if they were the same size"

Wlad IS not Floyd's nor none of those other guys size so you can "what if" all you want but all you're doing is bringing up hypothetical situations which you can say about any event/person/thing in human history. No better then the little kid who thinks the fantasy world of Harry potter or Twilight is real....

The fact of the matter is those guys are NOT the same size as Wlad and with that being said all you can say for 100% fact is Wlad is the heavy champ and Wlad will most likely beat any other boxer in the world right now because of that.

If and but or what if all you want but even if you do bring up a hypothetical situation (because that's all if is) like that...... What you're saying is also ****** from the sense that IF Wlad was indeed the same size as Floyd... He would not be the same fighter. Do you even common sense? He obviously won't fight the way he does and he could be just like Floyd, he can be manny, he could be JMM, he could be Hopkins, he could be GGG......


Do you see how silly your post is?


And to the OPs post, I'm sure ton of people hate this idea and disagree with me, and that's fine with me.. But IMO, I will always have the HW champ as the P4P#1, I just don't see the logic in placing the guy who WILL beat any other boxer in the world in a boxing match in some random spot in the top 10, when I think he could beat anyone (obviously) and you can hypothesize all you want, but I can sit here and say "Wilt chamberlain would be able to guard Michael Jordan on the perimeter if he was 6 inches shorter and 50 pounds lighter" etc.


IMO.

(No hate)

[Weebler I]

I hate putting heavyweights on the p4p list, because if I'm being honest I don't think Wlad would beat most, if any, of the fighters on that list if they were all the same size.

If they were all Wlad's size they couldn't do the things they do and a lot of them couldn't take the repeat shots from HW that they take from smaller fighters. If Wlad was smaller he wouldn't necessarily fight the way he does. It's an impossible comparison.

[Simurgh]

comparing heavies to lighter class fighters makes little sense. when one talks about comparing wlad and floyd it's always lets take away wlad's power and lets put him against 147 pounder.

how about we bring floyd to 6'6. his power would suck and it would be funny to see how long that sholder would be in one piece after a few heavy shots...

[bojangles1987]

I just don't understand people who say this. It absolutely boggles my mind someone with 20,000 posts on this site can say something so ******.

That's like me saying "I don't think Shaquille O'Neal would be able to post up Allen Iversln if they were the same size"

Wlad IS not Floyd's nor none of those other guys size so you can "what if" all you want but all you're doing is bringing up hypothetical situations which you can say about any event/person/thing in human history. No better then the little kid who thinks the fantasy world of Harry potter or Twilight is real....

The fact of the matter is those guys are NOT the same size as Wlad and with that being said all you can say for 100% fact is Wlad is the heavy champ and Wlad will most likely beat any other boxer in the world right now because of that.

If and but or what if all you want but even if you do bring up a hypothetical situation (because that's all if is) like that...... What you're saying is also ****** from the sense that IF Wlad was indeed the same size as Floyd... He would not be the same fighter. Do you even common sense? He obviously won't fight the way he does and he could be just like Floyd, he can be manny, he could be JMM, he could be Hopkins, he could be GGG......


Do you see how silly your post is?


And to the OPs post, I'm sure ton of people hate this idea and disagree with me, and that's fine with me.. But IMO, I will always have the HW champ as the P4P#1, I just don't see the logic in placing the guy who WILL beat any other boxer in the world in a boxing match in some random spot in the top 10, when I think he could beat anyone (obviously) and you can hypothesize all you want, but I can sit here and say "Wilt chamberlain would be able to guard Michael Jordan on the perimeter if he was 6 inches shorter and 50 pounds lighter" etc.


IMO.

(No hate)

It's the entire point of p4p, is to rank fighters by their skill and records, not their size. If you hate the concept, I'm not going to tell you you're wrong. At the same time, it's not ****** to watch Wlad Klitschko fight, and then watch Andre Ward or Guillermo Rigondeaux fight, and then think, "Wow, those two are so much more skilled than the heavyweight champion." Because they are much, much more skilled and beating much, much better fighters.

Again, that's the entire point of p4p rankings, to acknowledge who the most skilled and accomplished fighters are despite size. If you want to say the nobodies Wlad beats up on are better fighters than Carl Froch or Nonito Donaire, then go ahead.

[New England]

if everybody was the same size, who would you favor over all others in his next fight, based on what he's accomplished? ok, who is second,? third?


that's a p4p list.
size does not matter.