Heavyweights on the PFP list?

[Weebler I]

Saw this on another site:

The Ring just posted their latest P4P list. The top three of Mayweather, Ward and Marquez are solid picks. I have a problem with the rest of the list. I thought the pound for pound list was created to put a spotlight to the divisions below heavyweight.

I don’t know why they keep putting heavies on the list. Wlad is a great fighter but being the Heavyweight Champion should be good enough.

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Got to say I have a lot of sympathy with this view.

Wladimir is the Heavyweight Champion of the world, that's the default top spot. He can beat any other boxer on the face of the planet, and imo it's a little insulting to have him beneath men that weigh not much more than his little girlfriend Hayden.

[Daddy T]

Saw this on another site:



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Got to say I have a lot of sympathy with this view.

Wladimir is the Heavyweight Champion of the world, that's the default top spot. He can beat any other boxer on the face of the planet, and imo it's a little insulting to have him beneath men that weigh not much more than his little girlfriend Hayden.

insulting to be ranked on the p4p list? right .... I think your missing the point of point for pound for pound.

[LacedUp]

Saw this on another site:



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Got to say I have a lot of sympathy with this view.

Wladimir is the Heavyweight Champion of the world, that's the default top spot. He can beat any other boxer on the face of the planet, and imo it's a little insulting to have him beneath men that weigh not much more than his little girlfriend Hayden.

I don't think it was specifically made to put a spot on lower weight classes. It's just a list to show the best fighter on the planet, weight not included. Whilst I have always been against having heavies on the list, because their skills are often not as smooth as lower weights, sometimes it is warranted.

For the record, Wlad is #11 on my P4P list, but I can understand why a lot of people have him higher due to dominance and longevity.

[bojangles1987]

I hate putting heavyweights on the p4p list, because if I'm being honest I don't think Wlad would beat most, if any, of the fighters on that list if they were all the same size. Mayweather vs. Wlad, if they're both the same size? It's a massacre in Mayweather's favor. Same with Ward or Pacquiao or Mares or Donaire or Rigondeaux, etc.

I've only recently relented and put Wlad on the list because I really don't have a choice. He deserves it with so many other p4p fighters losing.

[LELBRON]

P4P = who has accomplished more and defeated better fighters in their respective weight classes. P4P rankings are just a cross divisional rating system and nothing more. It's not about who will beat so & so if they were the same size and all that nonsense.

And heavys have been rated p4p ever since the RING instituted the concept (1st back in the 80's i believe). Even rated a Heavy #1 in Tyson's case, back when he was considered to be the greatest, most dominant boxer of any boxer in their respective weight division(s).

And the lower weight classes (except for the extreme midget divisions, straw/fly/bantam-weight etc) haven't needed any added spotlight on them since the days of the fab 4, where when the Heavyweight division was dead, the lower weight classes pretty much took over & carried the sport, kinda like now, until Tyson came along...

And even before then during Floyd Patterson's Heavyweight reign, Sugar Ray Robinson was the premier boxer in the sport.

[M Bison]

I don't think it was specifically made to put a spot on lower weight classes. It's just a list to show the best fighter on the planet, weight not included. Whilst I have always been against having heavies on the list, because their skills are often not as smooth as lower weights, sometimes it is warranted.

For the record, Wlad is #11 on my P4P list, but I can understand why a lot of people have him higher due to dominance and longevity.

Right so be honest If David Haye does come back beats Wladimir Klitschko and so on and does beat most of the threats in the HW division...
You will surely expect him to finish at the very least 2nd above Andre Ward?

Beating Wladimir Klitschko now surely must be alot more impressive win than any of Andre Ward's.

Knocking Manny Pacquiao out like JMM did though that's a hard one to top.

[Light_Speed]

I don't think it was specifically made to put a spot on lower weight classes.

Yes it was.

[LacedUp]

Right so be honest If David Haye does come back beats Wladimir Klitschko and so on and does beat most of the threats in the HW division...
You will surely expect him to finish at the very least 2nd above Andre Ward?

Beating Wladimir Klitschko now surely must be alot more impressive win than any of Andre Ward's.

Knocking Manny Pacquiao out like JMM did though that's a hard one to top.

Dude why are you bringing up David Haye? You must really like the guy, damn.
I've never been in favour of putting a heavy on the P4P list, but you can talk about who is the P4P better fighter.

Regardless, as I said, and as someone else said, if everyone was the same size and weight, but had the same skills, not a lot of heavies would win.

[M Bison]

I hate putting heavyweights on the p4p list, because if I'm being honest I don't think Wlad would beat most, if any, of the fighters on that list if they were all the same size. Mayweather vs. Wlad, if they're both the same size? It's a massacre in Mayweather's favor. Same with Ward or Pacquiao or Mares or Donaire or Rigondeaux, etc.

I've only recently relented and put Wlad on the list because I really don't have a choice. He deserves it with so many other p4p fighters losing.

There's a huge difference carrying 200 + lbs and fighting like Mayweather does you wont be anywhere near as agile and elusive because you will be no matter what a very big guy.

Heavyweight division it can take just one punch whereas I'm not saying lighter divisions can't punch and knock out with one punch but the fact is when you're that big anyone can really knock you out there's a bigger caution to be aware of.

Andre Ward I can imagine his style as a heavyweight though but come on there is no chance in hell Rigondeaux 6ft6 230lbs fighting the same way he did against Donaire for 12 rounds that would never happen he'd be gassed, there's a reason why long distance runners don't weigh much (this isn't a dig at Rigo) its because more muscle you're more like to dehydrate/gass out.

[M Bison]

Dude why are you bringing up David Haye? You must really like the guy, damn.
I've never been in favour of putting a heavy on the P4P list, but you can talk about who is the P4P better fighter.

Regardless, as I said, and as someone else said, if everyone was the same size and weight, but had the same skills, not a lot of heavies would win.

Because I know you're a huge fan of his and If he did beat Wladimir you'd be dissapointed with Haye not even breaking into the top ten of the P4P list, I know for a fact you wouldn't put him as low as 11th.

My previous comment about that, some styles can work for heavies but most can't its easy saying
"ooh If Manny or Rigo was a heavyweight they'd dominate"
But you have to take into account these guys wont move as fast and as agile so I don't feel like that is the case.