Why do so many boxers beat up women?

[FeFist]

so you're saying that you believe those instances to be responsible for the threefold increase in the reports of domestic violence? i can certainly see women not understanding that they're being abused mentally or emotionally, but these are numbers concerning violence. i also agree that there's a greater stigma against violence against women in certain demographics, and that it will be reported less. that's actually outlined in the article from which i posted the first abstract. i however, i don't agree that the massive correlation between economic status and domestic violence can be attributed entirely to those factors, and neither do the academics.


think what you want, man.

1) Some women don't believe getting slapped amounts to domestic abuse. For whatever reason a lot of women believe they need to be beaten to a pulp, or struct on more than one occasion/frequently.

2) I don't care what you believe and as I said before the research you're citing has its limitations. Women in a higher income family could place more focus on preserving their image, they have options outside of agencies that would leave a record of their abuse. If they're in a relationship with a man who is an upstanding member of society, it is more likely that they'd be concerned about their husband making them look like a lying gold digger.

[New England]

1) Some women don't believe getting slapped amounts to domestic abuse. For whatever reason a lot of women believe they need to be beaten to a pulp, or struct on more than one occasion/frequently.

2) I don't care what you believe and as I said before the research you're citing has its limitations. Women in a higher income family could place more focus on preserving their image, they have options outside of agencies that would leave a record of their abuse. If they're in a relationship with a man who is an upstanding member of society, it is more likely that they'd be concerned about their husband making them look like a lying gold digger.

the research of a large institution and a major university is more viable than anecdotal evidence you're gathering from your mother. believe what you would like.

[FeFist]

the research of a large institution and a major university is more viable than anecdotal evidence you're gathering from your mother. believe what you would like.

At this stage I'm not providing anecdotal evidence, I'm doing what people do with research. Analyse and evaluate it. If you've ever studied in your life, you'd realise that all research carried out has its limitations and can be criticised. Merely citing in an argument is insufficient. You want to prove a point to me, then tell me why the factors I listed would not substantially alter the results.

[bojangles1987]

I'd think it's a combination of not being very smart, which most athletes, let alone ones who get punched in the head for a living, aren't, and the violent tendencies that likely led them to boxing anyway.

[B Phontain]

They shouldn't, you see this?


I applaud that police officer's actions. I don't know what happened in the case of the boxers, but generally speaking it aggravates me that people feel women should be able to hit men without repercussion.

"yawwwwllllll, yawwlllllll" lmao! He was in disbelief! i had to watch it twice to see she backhanded his ass! Ida slapped her ass back too.

[New England]

At this stage I'm not providing anecdotal evidence, I'm doing what people do with research. Analyse and evaluate it. If you've ever studied in your life, you'd realise that all research carried out has its limitations and can be criticised. Merely citing in an argument is insufficient. You want to prove a point to me, then tell me why the factors I listed would not substantially alter the results.

i'd like to think that it's quite obvious that i'm educated, and though i'm four years out of college and don't work in the field, our discussion concerns one of my two majors.

there are concessions to be made about the nature of the study, and i've made them quite clearly in my previous posts if you've been reading them. i don't need to prove a point to you, though i've very sufficiently been supporting my claim, and you've yet to provide anything other than what you've been told by your mother. i've already spoken to the notion that the reporting of a crime isn't going to reflect to a degree of total accuracy the rate of it's occurrence. you're saying that you believe these instances in which the crimes aren't reported account fully for the three fold increase in cases in lower economic families? you've yet to come up with anything to substantiate your claims that the stances of these major institutions- that domestic violence is more common among people of lower economic status- is wrong, again, other than what your mother has told you. that means nothing to me, no offense.

my stance is one held almost universally by the organizations and academics that involve themselves with this area of study? are you saying that they're incorrect when they assert directly (and they all do,) that poverty and domestic violence are related?

[FeFist]

i'd like to think that it's quite obvious that i'm educated, and though i'm four years out of college and don't work in the field, our discussion concerns one of my two majors.

there are concessions to be made about the nature of the study, and i've made them quite clearly in my previous posts if you've been reading them. i don't need to prove a point to you, though i've very sufficiently been supporting my claim, and you've yet to provide anything other than what you've been told by your mother. i've already spoken to the notion that the reporting of a crime isn't going to reflect to a degree of total accuracy the rate of it's occurrence. you're saying that you believe these instances in which the crimes aren't reported account fully for the three fold increase in cases in lower economic families? you've yet to come up with anything to substantiate your claims that the stances of these major institutions- that domestic violence is more common among people of lower economic status- is wrong, again, other than what your mother has told you. that means nothing to me, no offense.

my stance is one held almost universally by the organizations and academics that involve themselves with this area of study? are you saying that they're incorrect when they assert directly (and they all do,) that poverty and domestic violence are related?

1) You didn't come across as an educated man to me but I will take your word for it.

2) You keep bringing up the observations I made whilst my mum was working with women who were in abusive relationships when the discussion has moved passed that initial claim.

3) You're trying to tell me that I'm incorrect in making the claim that the frequency is not higher in low income families. To do this you provided a report that presents statistics outlining that women from poorer house holds are more likely to be in abusive relationships.

4) I'm telling that the report you published does disprove my claim because the research is limited. The limitation exists due to being dependent on reports made which can be affected by the options presented to women with more money, and the image of their social standing.

Myth One: Only poor, uneducated women are victims of domestic violence.

Victims of abuse can be found in all social and economic classes and can be of either sex. They can be wealthy, educated, and prominent as well as undereducated and financially destitute. Victims of domestic violence live in rural towns, urban cities, subsidized housing projects, and in gated communities. The overrepresentation of underprivileged women in domestic violence crime reports may be due to several factors, including the fact that those seeking public assistance or services are subject to data tracking trends that often capture this information. Victims of domestic violence who have higher incomes are more likely to seek help from private therapists or service providers who can protect their identity through confidentiality agreements.

4a) The conclusion you reached based on the research does not provide certainty as there are difficulties in establishing the cause of more reports of domestic violence in lower income families. Is it down to more abuses taking place? Possibly or is it down to outside factors such as women with more money at their disposal not reporting their abuse? Equally possible.

5) You're attempting to appeal to an authority, which to an extent is a fallacy as it assumes that they cannot be incorrect. That aspect is also what made me question your education as from the age of 16 individuals are taught that it is actually appropriate to critique research carried out. The factors presented are sufficient enough to challenge the conclusion that ''Abuse is more likely in a low income household''.

That being said I'm not going to respond to you again, this thread has become derailed.

[BostonGuy]

As much a Deontay Wilder fan I am (or used to be) I hope his case doesn't get swept under the rug. He should be held accountable for his actions and deal with the consequences. If you beat a woman, you should be punished appropriately.

[al-Xander]

Roid rage, I think.

[nveleven]

Im sure there are a handful of boxers whom are wife-beaters, but I also think men need to get the benefit of the doubt better than they currently do. All a woman has to do is cry **** or abuse and everyone (including the judicial system) starts piling on the bandwagon. Boxers attract gold diggers and they know if they cry wolf, it's a double whammy bc it's not only abuse, but abuse by a fighter (it's such an easy ploy to pull off bc it's easy to believe). I'm not a fan of Floyd's out of the ring personality, but I get the feeling that he was telling the truth about grabbing his girl (use of force, but in no way is it abuse) in order to keep her from continuing to break all of his stuff.
The same crap happens at bars all the time where a woman gets out of control physically, and no man can put his hands on her bc it's jail time thereafter. A lose-lose all around