Comments Thread For: Photos: Wladimir Kllitschko Beats Down Pianeta For TKO

[LacedUp]

Good post.

However, disagree about the 90s era. Other than Lennox, Tyson and Holyfield, that era was filled with pretty good talent. Bowe, Bruno, Morrison, Moorer, Ruddock, Briggs, Tua, McCall, Mercer, Golota and even Foreman.

These guys would have looked like a million dollars in todays division. And the best part was, they all fought each other, beat and lost to each other and at the end of that was Lennox Lewis.

[Mikhnienko]

I do give props to Wlad that he trains and prepare for each fight like a Champion. however I believe dudes from my gym could KO this ass in first 3 rounds. Pianeta couldn't even hold himself in the ring, kept kneeing and hugging ropes. I mean what the **** was that? For christ sake he just made enough money to open a restaurant and he blew a chance to make more money fighting better competition. sack of crap, Dimitrenko's lvl if not worse. I don't care if heavyweight is weak now..but, fighters just don't want to try.

I pray for Povetkin and Haye to fight good. Make Wlad look silly and lost, and we
ll see something new from Wlad as well. all these fighters mentally lost before they step against Klitschkos. anyways..whos nex?

You pray for Povetkin and Haye to make Wlad look silly and beat him?

[Mikhnienko]

Good post.

However, disagree about the 90s era. Other than Lennox, Tyson and Holyfield, that era was filled with pretty good talent. Bowe, Bruno, Morrison, Moorer, Ruddock, Briggs, Tua, McCall, Mercer, Golota and even Foreman.

These guys would have looked like a million dollars in todays division. And the best part was, they all fought each other, beat and lost to each other and at the end of that was Lennox Lewis.

Chagaev, Ibragimov, Povetkin, Haye, Brewster, Byrd, Pulev, Thompson, Peter, Chambers, Adamek

90's guys weren't any better or deeper than this current era.

[LacedUp]

Chagaev, Ibragimov, Povetkin, Haye, Brewster, Byrd, Pulev, Thompson, Peter, Chambers, Adamek

90's guys weren't any better or deeper than this current era.

Notice how 4 people out of the 11 you mentioned are cruiserweights?

Also notice how guys like Chagaev (when he was champ) fought guys like Sprott and Skelton, who at best would make sparring partners for the Klitschkos? Chambers had a list of journeymen (literally) on his resume until he lost to Povetkin. Thompson simply hadn't beaten any other contender before he fought Price.

The rest would (incl Haye and Sultan) would have a very very hard nights work in front of them if they fought someone like Golota in '96/'97 not to mention Bowe, Ruddock, Bruno or Briggs.

Quite simply, there's no comparison to now and then. Also, these guys were the best of the second best in the 90's. Going even deeper into the pool you have guys like Botha, Grant, Tucker, Douglas, Sanders, Mathis, McNeeley, Nielsen, Mathis jr.

That second tier of guys I just mentioned there would have competed with anyone below the top 4-5 in today's division.

[Simurgh]

Notice how 4 people out of the 11 you mentioned are cruiserweights?

Also notice how guys like Chagaev (when he was champ) fought guys like Sprott and Skelton, who at best would make sparring partners for the Klitschkos? Chambers had a list of journeymen (literally) on his resume until he lost to Povetkin. Thompson simply haven't beaten any other contender before he fought Price.

The rest would (incl Haye and Sultan) would have a very very hard nights work in front of them if they fought someone like Golota in '96/'97 not to mention Bowe, Ruddock, Bruno or Briggs.

Quite simply, there's no comparison to now and then.

Keep it real.

Haye would KO Golota (the version that fought Lennox or Tyson) with an ease.
Also he would be favorite against Bruno or Briggs.

It's amazing how people are overeating retired fighters. Apart from Lennox, Tyson, Holyfield and Bowe I wouldn't bet on any other fighter from previous generation against prime Haye.

[Mr. Fantastic]

Chagaev, Ibragimov, Povetkin, Haye, Brewster, Byrd, Pulev, Thompson, Peter, Chambers, Adamek

90's guys weren't any better or deeper than this current era.

That's what I've been saying. They make em seem like they were all that just to **** on the greatness of Wlad.

[Mikhnienko]

Notice how 4 people out of the 11 you mentioned are cruiserweights?

- Holyfield 190lb CW
- Moorer LHW
- Mercer 200lb amateur until age 27 and natural CW
- Foreman came out of a decade long retirement and won the HW Championship in his mid 40's in this amazing 90's era and took ATG's like a prime Holyfield to the brink.


Byrd and Chambers are career HW's

[Jedi Vader]

Chagaev, Ibragimov, Povetkin, Haye, Brewster, Byrd, Pulev, Thompson, Peter, Chambers, Adamek

90's guys weren't any better or deeper than this current era.

This 90's bunch would annihilate the laughable bunch you mentioned and it's not remotely close.

Bowe, Bruno, Morrison, Moorer, Ruddock, Briggs, Tua, McCall, Mercer, Golota and even Foreman.

[Joeyzagz]

I agree that Holmes was way way in the shadow of Ali. And it wasn't necessarily all his fault it was a matter of bad timing. As far as for Wlad in emulating Lewis. I believe that is a ridiculous statement and this is why. So many claim that this is a weak era in heavyweight boxing when in reality it has been pretty weak since the end of Ali's reign. In my opinion this is why.

Holmes fought some horrible opponents and his best three wins were over a washed up Ali an overrated Cooney and a fighter who didn't even win his belt in the ring in Norton. He then lost to Spinks not once but twice.

Tyson beat two Hall of Fame fighters. One was a washed up Holmes and the other a scared 5hitless Spinks. With that said. Tyson beat most of his opponents in such spectacular fashion most fans didn't notice how average most of them actually were. How average? Read on.

Beside the two Hall of Fame fighters Tyson beat he fought seven alphabet belt holders in Berbick, Smith, Thomas, Tucker. Tubbs, Bruno and Seldon. Out of those seven champions only two had successful title defenses. They were Thomas and Seldon who each had one successful title defense.

I guess the argument can be made that they were all as equally as good as one another. But since I watched all of those fights I would say it was more so that they were as equally average as one another. Hell, even Douglas couldn't muster a single successful title defense after he knocked Tyson out.

Lewis also only had two wins over Hall of Fame fighters. A 37 year old Holyfield and a Tyson that was already washed up at 35 years of age. He lost to very sub par fighters in spectacular fashion. With that said he should get credit for beating both of them, but it still happened.

Its not just the hall of fame fighters Lennox beat, The average guys like Bruno, Morrison, and Tua were all legit KO artists with 90% finish rates in their prime.

Compare Haye/Ruiz to Tua/Ruiz. Thats the difference in quality between 90's and 2000s.