Comments Thread For: Memo Heredia Says His Boxers Will Be Tested, With USADA

[radioraheem]

Pinpoint my pseudo-journalistic influences. As I see it, I summarized Memo's quotes as I read them. Then pointed out that it's hypocritical of Memo to be su****ious of Conte for having worked with VADA, yet he works with USADA. As for throwing test results away and allowing a fighter to fight after testing positive, that's fact.

How could you assume this? They tested both samples like they were supposed to. Drop a link for the second bold, and elaborate more on this "power," so I can better understand it.

So you think USADA is also making a mistake by working with Memo?

I wasn't talking about you being a journalist. You just sound like those who have gotten a lot of their information from those Max Boxing articles, which are quite biased. Hence, why you had no idea about VADA's mistakes, nor mentioned any.

Memo does not work for USADA. USADA has had no involvement with Memo since he was a witness against Trevor Graham. USADA does not keep ties with guys like him or Conte. They are despised by USADA.

The throwing away testing results is not a fact, at least not yet. USADA has not gone on record confirming this. It is only Winky Wright that said his lawyer was told this by a USADA rep. This was immediately after taking the first sample by the way, not like they were testing for weeks. It totally could have been thrown away though, and if so, that was a bad move. Also, USADA nor VADA has the authority to stop a fight. Only the Commission, fighters, and/or Promoters.

Finally, I'm not assuming anything. I said, if the B-sample came back negative, I'm not sure if VADA would have told the Commission whatsoever about the positive because of the fact they remained silent for so long about Peterson's positive. And also, at that time, they gave fighters A LOT of power over who got results. I'll grab quotes/links to where VADA's Founder, Margaret Goodman, talks about the testing protocol and where she shows how much power a fighter had (at that time). Just a sec...

[radioraheem]

How could you assume this? They tested both samples like they were supposed to. Drop a link for the second bold, and elaborate more on this "power," so I can better understand it.

OK, the following was part of an extensive interview Boxing Scene did with the Founder of VADA -- Margaret Goodman. Interview was done by David P. Greisman. He did an absolutely excellent job with this interview and even called out in questioning certain things about VADA (like their association with Conte). Keep in mind though, that VADA has now changed it's protocol for the better. But the glaring problems and the new change has NEVER been talked about by those Max Boxing writers because they are unbelievably biased and pure puppets of Victor Conte.

http://www.boxingscene.com/vada-inte...es-role--56816

Some portions...

BoxingScene.com: What kind of results, in detail, can VADA release publicly when a fighter tests positive, or even when a fighter is negative for everything?

Goodman: “We do not release results unless the athlete asks us to. We are just a testing organization that facilitates the testing. That is not our role. The role is up to the athletic commission or the fighter or the promotional entity. It’s just like when you have any medical tests done. Those results are leaked to you. We are not the agency that is supposed to release results, per se, unless the athlete asks us to."


BoxingScene.com: USADA has released dates and results for its testing. I haven’t seen that kind of information from VADA beyond 1) when a fighter tests positive or, 2) when all the tests have come back, and there’s a summary on your website saying, in essence, “Shane Mosley and Canelo Alvarez have completed their VADA testing.” Will there be more information provided in terms of dates and results for each test?

Goodman: “If the athlete requests it.”


BoxingScene.com: Conte has said many times that he’s looking to clean up sports, and that his past is just that — his past. But given his past as someone who helped athletes beat drug testing, do you see a conflict with him both serving as an adviser to a drug-testing body while also working with athletes who potentially are going to be tested by that drug-testing body?

Goodman: “A drug-testing body can and should ask advice of many people on a continuing basis. No one other than the officers and board members should serve as official advisers. Victor Conte is neither a board member nor officer of VADA....

[josenoway]

Agreed, I don't how anyone can read that and then proclaim Heredia is working -with- USADA. Huh? The guy suggested they'd be hiring USADA for their testing services, period. Memo has ZERO input in how USADA conducts its testing.

I wasn't talking about you being a journalist. You just sound like those who have gotten a lot of their information from those Max Boxing articles, which are quite biased. Hence, why you had no idea about VADA's mistakes, nor mentioned any.

Memo does not work for USADA. USADA has had no involvement with Memo since he was a witness against Trevor Graham. USADA does not keep ties with guys like him or Conte. They are despised by USADA.

The throwing away testing results is not a fact, at least not yet. USADA has not gone on record confirming this. It is only Winky Wright that said his lawyer was told this by a USADA rep. This was immediately after taking the first sample by the way, not like they were testing for weeks. It totally could have been thrown away though, and if so, that was a bad move. Also, USADA nor VADA has the authority to stop a fight. Only the Commission, fighters, and/or Promoters.

Finally, I'm not assuming anything. I said, if the B-sample came back negative, I'm not sure if VADA would have told the Commission whatsoever about the positive because of the fact they remained silent for so long about Peterson's positive. And also, at that time, they gave fighters A LOT of power over who got results. I'll grab quotes/links to where VADA's Founder, Margaret Goodman, talks about the testing protocol and where she shows how much power a fighter had (at that time). Just a sec...

[brick wall]

well he used to beat wada testing before when he was working with american olympic athletes so it's not surprising he prefers usada.

and his reasoning of not considering vada because of conte doesn't make sense at all. conte's past offenses was about how to beat testing. vada's role on the other hand is how to catch drug cheaters so it's the opposite. what is he worried about? that conte will help fighters beat vada testing? if he considers conte his enemy then i'm sure he will never get help from him. in fact vada will be more strict when it comes to fighters connected with him if indeed conte is working with vada. maybe that's what he is worried about.

[maguirre]

USADA has a rep of destroying evidence. Yes, a testing agency paid and tasked to prove people's innocence or guilt destroys evidence. Whether fighters pass the test or not it's useless. What's the point?

[kamikaze_ero]

whats wrong w vada?

VADA had already caught Lamont Peterson, Andre Berto for taking PED.
USADA has caught none.Hide the positive test result of Floyd(3x), Golden boy, and threw the ped blood test sample of Wright.
after that, Golden boy and Floyd become allergic of VADA testing.....

[kamikaze_ero]

Both VADA and USADA have almost the same testing protocol however the latter has had history of hiding/destroying evidence of PED positive result while the former had proven in the past its profound integrity when they caught Peterson and Berto(golden boy promotes both fighter) of taking PED on their system.

[SCEN3RY]

I wasn't talking about you being a journalist. You just sound like those who have gotten a lot of their information from those Max Boxing articles, which are quite biased. Hence, why you had no idea about VADA's mistakes, nor mentioned any.

Memo does not work for USADA. USADA has had no involvement with Memo since he was a witness against Trevor Graham. USADA does not keep ties with guys like him or Conte. They are despised by USADA.

The throwing away testing results is not a fact, at least not yet. USADA has not gone on record confirming this. It is only Winky Wright that said his lawyer was told this by a USADA rep. This was immediately after taking the first sample by the way, not like they were testing for weeks. It totally could have been thrown away though, and if so, that was a bad move. Also, USADA nor VADA has the authority to stop a fight. Only the Commission, fighters, and/or Promoters.

Finally, I'm not assuming anything. I said, if the B-sample came back negative, I'm not sure if VADA would have told the Commission whatsoever about the positive because of the fact they remained silent for so long about Peterson's positive. And also, at that time, they gave fighters A LOT of power over who got results. I'll grab quotes/links to where VADA's Founder, Margaret Goodman, talks about the testing protocol and where she shows how much power a fighter had (at that time). Just a sec...

I don't know if maxboxing is biased towards whomever, sounds more like an opinion. Any information about prior test results I got from bscene.com. I did not say he works FOR USADA, I said he has worked WITH USADA and it was hypocritcal of him to distrust VADA because of any affiliation they may have had with Conte.

"I've been working with USADA for six years" That's as of 12/04/2012, speaking in present tense, not past.

http://www.boxingscene.com/marquez-h...s-conte--60083

Don't take this the wrong way, but you replied to my original post as if to refute something I said, and yet you haven't. Is it that you just want me to talk more about VADA? Whatever mistakes VADA may have made with their timing in releasing results to the promoters...they caught ped users and the fights thankfully did not continue, as they should have not. It's not perfect (nor can it be), but I can't help but appreciate that more than doing away with test results because 'there wasn't enough time to explain what was or was not a banned substance.' It just doesn't sit well with me.

Again, we revert back to my original post. All that **** aside about whether this or that was or was not a mistake - Memo is being hypocritcal about not wanting to work with VADA, although he says the protocols are the same, for the mere fact that they've worked with Conte. If the protocols are the same, what are you afraid of? Not to mention he's gone on record and said he's assisted USADA himself.

And thanks for that interview, I'm gald they changed their stance. Although, I would assume if Mosley tested positive, Canelo would have been informed and it would have escalated thereafter. There's the possibility we wouldn't have been informed so glad that information is made public now.

[MikeRo1972]

Victor Conte.

Conte has nothing to do with VaDA. Stop spreading misinformation.

[eXeC]

Are these same guys that didn't catch Marion Jones and Lance Armstrong?