Comments Thread For: Memo Heredia Says His Boxers Will Be Tested, With USADA

[SCEN3RY]

Title is a bit misleading. He says these guys will be involved, but then follows up and says he's at least going to push for it, but it's not up to him. Nothing is set as I see it, and we've heard him say this before and nothing came of it. He said he's going to push for drug testing from USADA, but says the prices will need to be "elaborated" with the promoters/commission.

I'm trying to work with USADA so we also test not just those that can afford it but also those who cannot afford such expensive testing. So it's not up to me at the end of the day, it’s up to USADA to elaborate on that [with] maybe the commissions, maybe with the promoters. My job is to push it and mention it to them and perhaps they can take over from there” Heredia would inform.

As for not trusting VADA...I don't know how many times this needs repeating but the only agency throwing test results away and allowing fighters to continue to fight after testing positive for a banned substance is USADA. Victor Conte having worked closely with VADA is the same as Memo Heredia working closely with USADA. Why is one su****ious for it, and not the other?

[Bermuda]

Title is a bit misleading. He says these guys will be involved, but then follows up and says he's at least going to push for it, but it's not up to him. Nothing is set as I see it, and we've heard him say this before and nothing came of it. He said he's going to push for drug testing from USADA, but says the prices will need to be "elaborated" with the promoters/commission.

As for not trusting VADA...I don't know how many times this needs repeating but the only agency throwing test results away and allowing fighters to continue to fight after testing positive for a banned substance is USADA. Victor Conte having worked closely with VADA is the same as Memo Heredia working closely with USADA. Why is one su****ious for it, and not the other?

also the cost for VADA testing is cheaper than what USADA charges i think...which is why you see more fighters choosing VADA over USADA. plus conte didn't create VADA or is a close advisor to what VADA does..this is all myth. VADA is an independent organization...

[littlemac]

According to Memo in an interview a few years back that is exactly what is happening. His words.

According to Ariza: "Now when Memo started working with Marquez we ended up being beat by the same thing we had been beating everyone else with."


Why don't the Packlas mentioned anything about what Ariza's(Manny's very own nutritionist) said about his thoughts about Memo's work on Manny's dad"

Ariza's opinion about sport nutrition > Manny pajama wearing Packlas

[radioraheem]

Title is a bit misleading. He says these guys will be involved, but then follows up and says he's at least going to push for it, but it's not up to him. Nothing is set as I see it, and we've heard him say this before and nothing came of it. He said he's going to push for drug testing from USADA, but says the prices will need to be "elaborated" with the promoters/commission.



As for not trusting VADA...I don't know how many times this needs repeating but the only agency throwing test results away and allowing fighters to continue to fight after testing positive for a banned substance is USADA. Victor Conte having worked closely with VADA is the same as Memo Heredia working closely with USADA. Why is one su****ious for it, and not the other?

You sound like you've been reading too many articles by pseudo-journalists influenced by Victor Conte. VADA too has done it's fair share of "shady" things. These shady things, in my opinion, were just mistakes. And I feel the same about USADA -- mistakes. As both organizations are new to boxing, so it was bound to make innocent errors here and there.

So let's take VADA... None of these Conte influenced writers speak upon how VADA kept completely silent for a month when Peterson tested positive. Peterson was the only one who knew he tested positive for quite a long time. Then at the last minute, VADA informs the Nevada Commission. Had Peterson's B-sample not come back positive, I'm not even sure if VADA would have mentioned the positive AT ALL to the Commission or anyone. VADA also had a clause in their contracts which gave a lot of power to the fighter. It was up to the fighter who got to see test results. Whereas with USADA, if enough people wrote them, they would publish the results publicly on their website. VADA absolutely refused do such things, they were against it at the time. So originally, USADA was actually more transparent than VADA, and gave less power to fighters over the testing results.

Today though, because of the mistakes and consequences of VADA's mistakes, they have seemingly revamped their contracts and haven't made the same mistakes. Today, they seem to be much more transparent with results and have taken away a lot of the power it used to give to a fighter. But VADA is still making mistakes -- like it's association with Victor Conte of all people.

[hectari]

Title is a bit misleading. He says these guys will be involved, but then follows up and says he's at least going to push for it, but it's not up to him. Nothing is set as I see it, and we've heard him say this before and nothing came of it. He said he's going to push for drug testing from USADA, but says the prices will need to be "elaborated" with the promoters/commission.



As for not trusting VADA...I don't know how many times this needs repeating but the only agency throwing test results away and allowing fighters to continue to fight after testing positive for a banned substance is USADA. Victor Conte having worked closely with VADA is the same as Memo Heredia working closely with USADA. Why is one su****ious for it, and not the other?

Flowmos favor USADA because Floyd uses USADA lol, and Hate VADA because victor conte went in on Floyd Mayweather suspecting him of being like Lance Armstrong boasting to take any test and being clean but possibly cheating by taking only an 8 week random blood and urine testing and not true olympic style year round testing.

Andre Ward, Virgil Hunter, Amir Khan, Tim Bradley, Ruslan Provodnikov, Andre Berto, Lamont Peterson, all used VADA.

And VADA is the one that caught Berto's very minute traces of steroids, which USADA or athletic commissions wouldn't have caught, and VADA is the one that was able to detect the TRT that Lamont Peterson was using, if he were to be tested under commission tests he wouldn't have been caught or USADA testing.

The doctor who gave Peterson TRT probably thought he could slide under the radar and sneak by because those old tests are easy to pass.

[littlemac]

Flowmos favor USADA because Floyd uses USADA lol, and Hate VADA because victor conte went in on Floyd Mayweather suspecting him of being like Lance Armstrong boasting to take any test and being clean but possibly cheating by taking only an 8 week random blood and urine testing and not true olympic style year round testing.

Andre Ward, Virgil Hunter, Amir Khan, Tim Bradley, Ruslan Provodnikov, Andre Berto, Lamont Peterson, all used VADA.

And VADA is the one that caught Berto's very minute traces of steroids, which USADA or athletic commissions wouldn't have caught, and VADA is the one that was able to detect the TRT that Lamont Peterson was using, if he were to be tested under commission tests he wouldn't have been caught or USADA testing.

The doctor who gave Peterson TRT probably thought he could slide under the radar and sneak by because those old tests are easy to pass.

Packlas are against testing, oh wait, their for testing, but are for letting the commission do their job.

Packlas accuse Floyd of being a coward for enforcing testing and then the same Packlas turn around and call Donaire a hero for enforcing testing.

[trainhard_187]

Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and hangs out with ducks named Angel Memo Heredia then his name must me Howard Manuel Marquez.. Juiced up and ready... Anyone who disagrees is plain ignorant.

[SCEN3RY]

You sound like you've been reading too many articles by pseudo-journalists influenced by Victor Conte. VADA too has done it's fair share of "shady" things. These shady things, in my opinion, were just mistakes. And I feel the same about USADA -- mistakes. As both organizations are new to boxing, so it was bound to make innocent errors here and there.

Pinpoint my pseudo-journalistic influences. As I see it, I summarized Memo's quotes as I read them. Then pointed out that it's hypocritical of Memo to be su****ious of Conte for having worked with VADA, yet he works with USADA. As for throwing test results away and allowing a fighter to fight after testing positive, that's fact.

So let's take VADA... None of these Conte influenced writers speak upon how VADA kept completely silent for a month when Peterson tested positive. Peterson was the only one who knew he tested positive for quite a long time. Then at the last minute, VADA informs the Nevada Commission. Had Peterson's B-sample not come back positive, I'm not even sure if VADA would have mentioned the positive AT ALL to the Commission or anyone. VADA also had a clause in their contracts which gave a lot of power to the fighter. It was up to the fighter who got to see test results. Whereas with USADA, if enough people wrote them, they would publish the results publicly on their website. VADA absolutely refused do such things, they were against it at the time. So originally, USADA was actually more transparent than VADA, and gave less power to fighters over the testing results.

How could you assume this? They tested both samples like they were supposed to. Drop a link for the second bold, and elaborate more on this "power," so I can better understand it.

Today though, because of the mistakes and consequences of VADA's mistakes, they have seemingly revamped their contracts and haven't made the same mistakes. Today, they seem to be much more transparent with results and have taken away a lot of the power it used to give to a fighter. But VADA is still making mistakes -- like it's association with Victor Conte of all people.

So you think USADA is also making a mistake by working with Memo?

[hectari]

Packlas are against testing, oh wait, their for testing, but are for letting the commission do their job.

Packlas accuse Floyd of being a coward for enforcing testing and then the same Packlas turn around and call Donaire a hero for enforcing testing.

Floyd doesn't do year round random testing. Also you are misquoting that Ariza comment, you know he was referring to sports science like diet, training and nutrition, Ariza isn't on the level of Memo, Ariza isn't a chemist he is just a trainer.

What does Pacquiao and Donaire have to do with this? Why do you just go in random threads and go at Pacquiao and Filipinos and Pac fans?

Why? You contribute nothing to this thread man, and your replies are immature and uneducated just lots of name calling and trying to start fights and confrontations.

[El Malo.]

So has any of his fighters done ost yet?? Oh it's just his words right?? Well last time I checked PAC has agreed to random blood test requested by Floyd also Hahahaha!!!

And yet to date has failed to take any test. .. And whats even funnier is when they get called on it all of a sudden its not important anymore ha.