UFC's Dana White issues challenge to Fury

[Pugilist King]

whats gonna happen when you cant land a takedown and getting hit repeaditly in the back of the head? when you clinch up and someone rips a piece of flesh out with there teeth or bites your ****ing ear? like 80% maybe even 90% of people dont know how to fight on the streets and never been trained. a top boxer trained like a mirko cro cop in defensive grappling would be a force to be reckoned with. mirko trained for 6 months and was able to stuff world class wrestlers and grapplers.

[dan_cov]

whats gonna happen when you cant land a takedown and getting hit repeaditly in the back of the head? when you clinch up and someone rips a piece of flesh out with there teeth or bites your ****ing ear? like 80% maybe even 90% of people dont know how to fight on the streets and never been trained. a top boxer trained like a mirko cro cop in defensive grappling would be a force to be reckoned with. mirko trained for 6 months and was able to stuff world class wrestlers and grapplers.

From what I gather Mirko was self trained for most part. He not only taught himself how to sprawl and that but taught himself how to box and kickbox.
He hung a heavybag in a field from a tree and would study film & go there to rehearse moves.

[FaustoGeraci]

you mma fanboys are dumb.

clinching elbows knees and chokes are not "MMA" tactics. mma is just a rule set for people to fight under. the top mma "title" is held by an entertainment company. it has no ranking system and "world title challengers" are selected via who is more popular.

MMA fanboys? This is the only forum I am on.

Clinching, elbows, knees and chokes are legal in MMA. MMA fighters now train in every discipline. This is not 1994 when guys had one discipline and fought others. Everyone trains muay thai, boxing, kickboxing, bjj, wrestling, judo etc. They took the best out of each discipline and use it for MMA. For instance the shoulder roll would not work well in MMA due to the small gloves. The footwork is completely different, you have to be ready to defend takedowns etc.

The UFC does have an official ranking system. Perhaps you should check your facts, and top guys match up more in the UFC than they do in boxing due to one organization controlling the sport. So whatever you were trying to say with that point was absolutely moronic.

Obviously street fighting, with eye gouging and low blows, biting, shots to the throat etc. is different than MMA. But if you think boxing and MMA are equal in terms of value in the street, then you are clueless. In MMA you can kick a guys knee out which is one of the most dangerous and popular moves to seasoned street fighters. You cannot do that in boxing. You technically are not even allowed to push a guy in boxing and you wear minimum 8 oz. gloves. If you think boxing does not select matches based on popularity, and that it is defined by a ranking system, then I have a bridge to sell you. That is just lunacy.

By the way, Cro Cop trained for over a year before he really started making noise in MMA. If you recall Wanderlei Silva, by no means a wrestler, took him down repeatedly in their first match. Also, Cro Cop was a kickboxer, so he had a longer distance from the wrestler than a boxer would, not to mention lightning fast head kicks. Two completely different things. You are welcome for the education.

[FaustoGeraci]

From what I gather Mirko was self trained for most part. He not only taught himself how to sprawl and that but taught himself how to box and kickbox.
He hung a heavybag in a field from a tree and would study film & go there to rehearse moves.

Are you referring to when he was a kid? Because Cro Cop was a trained soldier, that worked out in a gym with the best kickboxing coach in Croatia throughout his K-1 and kickboxing career, before making the leap to MMA. Then he brought in BJJ guys like Fabricio Werdum and Eastern-European wrestlers to round out his game.

[FaustoGeraci]

whats gonna happen when you cant land a takedown and getting hit repeaditly in the back of the head? when you clinch up and someone rips a piece of flesh out with there teeth or bites your ****ing ear? like 80% maybe even 90% of people dont know how to fight on the streets and never been trained. a top boxer trained like a mirko cro cop in defensive grappling would be a force to be reckoned with. mirko trained for 6 months and was able to stuff world class wrestlers and grapplers.

Also, biting rarely factors in during a street fight. The best hand to hand combat specialists do not bite. That is hilarious. For a variety of reasons. Krav Maga, and the hand to hand combat the CIA employs etc. is the most effective form of fighting. It involves taking someone out with minimal effort and strikes, uses chokes and kill moves. A muay thai guy would beat the piss out of a boxer in a striking match. More tools. If you could learn how to punch, kick, knee and elbow or just punch what would you learn? Then you throw in grappling, wrestling, and how to fight on the ground, and the choice of MMA being superior on the streets to boxing is obvious. It is more tools in the tool shed. That being said I am a bigger boxing fan than MMA due to the UFC's current rule system and the bias it shows towards stalling and wrestlers. I preferred PRIDE.

[FaustoGeraci]

Also, biting rarely factors in during a street fight. The best hand to hand combat specialists do not bite. That is hilarious. For a variety of reasons. Krav Maga, and the hand to hand combat the CIA employs etc. is the most effective form of fighting. It involves taking someone out with minimal effort and strikes, uses chokes and kill moves. A muay thai guy would beat the piss out of a boxer in a striking match. More tools. If you could learn how to punch, kick, knee and elbow or just punch what would you learn? Then you throw in grappling, wrestling, and how to fight on the ground, and the choice of MMA being superior on the streets to boxing is obvious. It is more tools in the tool shed. That being said I am a bigger boxing fan than MMA due to the UFC's current rule system and the bias it shows towards stalling and wrestlers. I preferred PRIDE.

The person in my avatar, Giorgio Petrosyan, would absolutely destroy any boxer from 155 lbs. on down. Easily. In a striking contest.

[Pugilist King]

MMA fanboys? This is the only forum I am on.

Clinching, elbows, knees and chokes are legal in MMA. MMA fighters now train in every discipline. This is not 1994 when guys had one discipline and fought others. Everyone trains muay thai, boxing, kickboxing, bjj, wrestling, judo etc. They took the best out of each discipline and use it for MMA. For instance the shoulder roll would not work well in MMA due to the small gloves. The footwork is completely different, you have to be ready to defend takedowns etc.

The UFC does have an official ranking system. Perhaps you should check your facts, and top guys match up more in the UFC than they do in boxing due to one organization controlling the sport. So whatever you were trying to say with that point was absolutely moronic.

Obviously street fighting, with eye gouging and low blows, biting, shots to the throat etc. is different than MMA. But if you think boxing and MMA are equal in terms of value in the street, then you are clueless. In MMA you can kick a guys knee out which is one of the most dangerous and popular moves to seasoned street fighters. You cannot do that in boxing. You technically are not even allowed to push a guy in boxing and you wear minimum 8 oz. gloves. If you think boxing does not select matches based on popularity, and that it is defined by a ranking system, then I have a bridge to sell you. That is just lunacy.

By the way, Cro Cop trained for over a year before he really started making noise in MMA. If you recall Wanderlei Silva, by no means a wrestler, took him down repeatedly in their first match. Also, Cro Cop was a kickboxer, so he had a longer distance from the wrestler than a boxer would, not to mention lightning fast head kicks. Two completely different things. You are welcome for the education.

kid i forgot more about fighting then you currently know.

how is a kid going to be effective when he is training all these different things and doesnt get good at none of them. it will take him at least a year before its really effective. however training in one discipline for the same amount of time makes you really good at it. 2 months of muay thai beats 2 months of bjj boxing muay thai westling and judo. notice how i didnt say MMA because its not a style its a rule set to fight under. mma has become less dynamic and less entertaining over the years because of itself. the crappy rule set it has is grappler oriented. thats why you are supportive of grapplers. however if fighters were to fight under the pride ruleset then you would see how effective boxing or muay thai is with just a good sprawl. just look at the the #2 and #3 HWs in the world. both strikers who learned a good sprawl. one a former K1 world champ that is past his prime and the other a boxing oriented striker that wouldnt be able to hold larry holmes jock strap. what makes them so effective? a good sprawl and defensive grappling.