Do you believe in "Old Overnight".

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  • gmc_rfc_06
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    #11
    Old overnight? No.

    Old between fights? Yes.

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    • KidDinamita
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      #12
      I don't believe in "old overnight", but I really believe in "i don't want to be in this ring" or "what the hell am I doing here?". It really is a matter of motivation IMO.

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      • bojangles1987
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        #13
        It definitely happens. "Overnight" is obviously an exaggeration, but plenty of guys have looked markedly worse from one fight to the next.

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        • {Pito}
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          I think the old overnight thing happens or is most* noticeable to those who relied on physical abilities more so than a boxing IQ. Once they're most beneficial physical quality started deteriorating they just went downhill from there. On the other hand those who had at least OK physical qualities and characteristics but developed they're boxing iq and craft last far longer

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          • The Smash
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            #15
            Do you believe in life after love?

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            • KickAzz
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              #16
              yes it is a real thing, that's why there's a saying about it.

              someone mentioned Mosley... looked incredible in the Margarito fight, fell off in the Floyd fight

              Marg looked invincible in the Cotto fight, got stopped against Mosley

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              • SplitSecond
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                #17
                nope, it's an excuse, it's a slow process, and you can see these things gradually decline or a fighter gradually running out of stamina in fights, gradually moving less, gradually throwing less etc and when they lose by upset, if you actually study up you'll see in recent fights he got a recent habit of doing something and it was taken full advantage of

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                • Jim Tom
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Mister Wolf
                  I always hear this expression. What do you guys think is it a fact or a myth? I cant think of anytime myself ive seen a fighter get old overnight. If some of you have can you please point out the some examples for me thanks.
                  It does happen a lot in boxing and the smaller the weight the younger the age at which it comes.Heavyweights generally mature later on and most people who talk about Hopkins should forget what Hopkins is doing because that's not normal.
                  Aging overnight happens a lot.You could be as sharp as they come in the gym and come fight night you lose all your timing,speed and power by a split second and get an ass whooping.Changing weight classes can increase those chances of aging overnight especially going to lower weight classes from higher weights.

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                  • MikeRo1972
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                    It's a figure of speech but yes it's true. Emanuel Steward (RIP) used to say every fighter has a predetermined amount of punishment he can absorb before his body simply deteriorates. The most noticeable example in recent times is Plastergate. Cotto has simply never been the same since his first fight with Margarito. Hatton also could never rebound from the devastating KO vs Pacquiao. That said, its most likely cumulative damage up to the point that an opponent just "finishes" the damage and is just in there at the right time vs the right opponent. Paul Williams absorbed so much punishment (head blows) vs Martinez in their first scrap and in other fights vs Margarito and others that (in retrospect) it was no coincidence that he got KO'd cold the next time they fought. Jermain Taylor after Kelly Pavlik is another example. Just can't absorb punishment anymore. Lastly, JuanMa Lopez, since that war with Mtagwa he simply can no longer take a punch. He went from solid chin to glass jaw just like that.
                    Last edited by MikeRo1972; 04-19-2013, 10:15 AM.

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                    • SplitSecond
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by retnuocllup
                      yes it is a real thing, that's why there's a saying about it.

                      someone mentioned Mosley... looked incredible in the Margarito fight, fell off in the Floyd fight

                      Marg looked invincible in the Cotto fight, got stopped against Mosley
                      floyd made that look worse than it was, even though it was a year apart, and you can tell shane has been losing snap in his punches fight by fight against mora he showed tenacity and aggression, although an aging mosley, vs floyd and pacquiao he was put on a leash

                      it was more to do with his legs, shanes legs were going fast, and his power along with it, i think he felt physically overwhelmed vs floyd(completely outboxed too) and pacquiao

                      my point is, it has alot to do with who you face and when more so than, you are young now, and old a year later, it's a slower process than that

                      and not taking training seriously etc, is a different story
                      Last edited by SplitSecond; 04-19-2013, 10:20 AM.

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