Canelo is a superstar

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

We are not arguing over him not being a "big" puncher, my friend.

But to say he "couldn't crack an egg" is a little hyperbolic, no?

Anyway, I'm not trying to hijack your thread. Just saying, carnal.

Ok I take it back, he can't crack a walnut....better?

[Allucard]

I want to make something clear, that there is a difference between being a great boxer and having superstar status. For example, I believe Pernel Whitaker was a great fighter but he never reached superstar status like DLH or Floyd simply because his style wasn't exciting to casual fans and he wasn't charismatic enough.

In order to be a superstar you have to have talent, there's no doubt about that. We know Canelo has talent, what level of talent we will see this weekend, but let's make no mistake about it, he's a star in this sport.

One thing I notice going from gym to gym as I do through the week, is that EVERYONE is talking about this fight. Even more so than other fights, it has an air about it that reminds us of the great fights. Canelo has everything you would want as a promoter and manager. He is good looking, charismatic, appeals to the Latino fan base and has the skills and potential to be what everyone thinks he could be.....great.

It's easy to see why Golden Boy is rolling out the red carpet for him in his career. Promoters don't invest in a bum, in a kid with no talent. They invest in potential in and out of the ring and Canelo has it.

I'm not sure if Canelo wins this weekend, he could lose but if he wins, we could see the beginning of the next big star in the sport. Which is something that we always need.

The problem being that soon he's gonna believe his own hype just like Donaire did and not train as hard, while his (few live) opponents will be 100% in training and getting better. The way these things go today is a little different though. They tend to steer clear of not so famous fighters but potential better fighters but tend to get beat anyway by someone semi-good which will be worse for them overall. Perfect example was Manny Pacquiao fighting Bradley and Marquez instead of Floyd just so he could say he didn't lose to Floyd losing ALLOT of money and ultimately hurting his legacy more than if he had lost to Floyd. I'm not by any means comparing Manny to Canelo but just making the point that avoiding better fighters almost always backfire.

Once in a decade a Oscar de la Hoya appears and puts everything together but Canelo is no Oscar, he's 80% fabricated and it will eventually show.

[sicko]

He is a Superstar...IN MEXICO! In The US They Are Still Building His Brand Here! Not a "STAR" in the US yet but he can be, but you gotta have the skills in the ring to be a star in the US, if not the Skills then you better have Vicious Power like Tyson

We shall see how he does against Trout on Saturday! Even if he lose that fight his fan base will remain intact and he could still go on to become a Superstar they will just go back to cherry picking for him and putting him in winnable matches

but yes an impressive win over Trout would really turn heads in the boxing world

[$Bullsfam$]

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Originally Posted by Bloody$Nate$

How is beating a Jr welterweights, shot ass sugar Shane and fighting shot Cintron after Molina embarrassed him instead of rightfully fighting Molina make him a superstar?

He's almost as bad as Floyd. If your gonna sugar coat your record at least don't hold a belt hostage. He should be held to high standards as anybody else carrying a belt no matter what the age.


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Floyd's fought top ranked fighters for 15 years now.....to even compare the two is ignorant.

He hasn't fought the people he should have when he was supposed too. Nobody said Floyds not a great fighter. Floyd was running through people when he first came onto the scene. But nobody can deny his WW is far from spectacular and has left much to be desired. He's one of the best defensive fighters ever. but he could of been a lot greater had he not kept screwing around and retiring.




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Originally Posted by Bloody$Nate$

How is beating a Jr welterweights, shot ass sugar Shane and fighting shot Cintron after Molina embarrassed him instead of rightfully fighting Molina make him a superstar?

He's almost as bad as Floyd. If your gonna sugar coat your record at least don't hold a belt hostage. He should be held to high standards as anybody else carrying a belt no matter what the age.


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Floyd's fought top ranked fighters for 15 years now.....to even compare the two is ignorant.

He hasn't fought the people he should have when he was supposed too. Nobody said Floyds not a great fighter. Floyd was running through people when he first came onto the scene. But nobody can deny his WW is far from spectacular and has left much to be desired. He's one of the best defensive fighters ever. but he could of been a lot greater had he not kept screwing around and retiring.




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[Cuauhtémoc1520]

The problem being that soon he's gonna believe his own hype just like Donaire did and not train as hard, while his (few live) opponents will be 100% in training and getting better. The way these things go today is a little different though. They tend to steer clear of not so famous fighters but potential better fighters but tend to get beat anyway by someone semi-good which will be worse for them overall. Perfect example was Manny Pacquiao fighting Bradley and Marquez instead of Floyd just so he could say he didn't lose to Floyd losing ALLOT of money and ultimately hurting his legacy more than if he had lost to Floyd. I'm not by any means comparing Manny to Canelo but just making the point that avoiding better fighters almost always backfire.

Once in a decade a Oscar de la Hoya appears and puts everything together but Canelo is no Oscar, he's 80% fabricated and it will eventually show.

Well I wouldn't be so sure, I don't think anyone can predict the future but you are right about him not being Oscar.......as of right now.

Some fighters have a great amateur career and it transfers over to the pro's. Oscar was great as an amateur and remained great as a pro, he's a once in a lifetime type talent and fighter when you look at the whole package.

I think Canelo can be Oscar but taking a different route. The reason that Canelo has 41 fights, is because he's had to learn on the job. He didn't have the fan fair that Oscar had (very few do) and now he's coming into his own. Let's remember he's still only 22 and we talk about him like he's 30 years old and 10 years in the game.

The kids talent is undeniable, will he hold up mentally? Good question.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Well I won the $1,000 and collect today at the gym. It was a fantastic fight and I scored it like this:

Canelo Trout
Rd 1 10 10
2 10 9
3 9 10
4 9 10
5 10 9
6 10 9
7 10 8
8 9 10
9 10 9
10 10 9
11 10 9
12 9 10

Total = 116 112


Before some of you jump all over me, I scored it twice and got the same result. People have to understand that you can have close rounds and still give most of them to one fighter.

I thought Canelo's defense was the key in this fight, not his power. Trout threw a lot but he missed a lot. You have to have EFFECTIVE AGGRESSION, it can't just be throwing a ton of punches.

Canelo landed the cleaner shots, dropped Trout in the 7th and made him miss a lot. I was really impressed with Canelo, he showed another dimension a lot of people didn't know he had.

[TOBYLEE1]

Well I won the $1,000 and collect today at the gym. It was a fantastic fight and I scored it like this:

Canelo Trout
Rd 1 10 10
2 10 9
3 9 10
4 9 10
5 10 9
6 10 9
7 10 8
8 9 10
9 10 9
10 10 9
11 10 9
12 9 10

Total = 116 112


Before some of you jump all over me, I scored it twice and got the same result. People have to understand that you can have close rounds and still give most of them to one fighter.

I thought Canelo's defense was the key in this fight, not his power. Trout threw a lot but he missed a lot. You have to have EFFECTIVE AGGRESSION, it can't just be throwing a ton of punches.

Canelo landed the cleaner shots, dropped Trout in the 7th and made him miss a lot. I was really impressed with Canelo, he showed another dimension a lot of people didn't know he had.

That fight was closer than what the judges had. It could had gone either way

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

That fight was closer than what the judges had. It could had gone either way

My point is that you can have a close fight, and still have a score card that is 8 rounds to 4 for example.

They can be close rounds but if the judges are giving all the close rounds to one fighter, then it won't reflect on the score cards.

[techliam]

My point is that you can have a close fight, and still have a score card that is 8 rounds to 4 for example.

They can be close rounds but if the judges are giving all the close rounds to one fighter, then it won't reflect on the score cards.

People who score on activity had it probably 115-112 for Trout.

Trout won if scored on activity
Canelo won if scored on what you did

Either way it was a close fight, one which Trout couldn't have won looking at 2 of the official scorecards.

The difference is how people score. You can argue ALL day long about how you think your method is correct, however scoring is subjective, and they both in won different peoples eyes - a big clear equal split too.