If the Amateurs dont mean anything then someone explain this to me

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Of course, that's a part of it. But whatever the reason may be, it hasn't worked out for him. It worked out for other Cubans such as Gamboa or Rigo, so why not Solis?

Wlad Klitschko was an amateur Gold Medal Winner, so was Lennox, so was Ali, Foreman, who else. I am just talking about the heavyweight division. DLH, Ward, Whitaker, Leonard, Roy Jones, Floyd Mayweather...

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Cubans as well. Look at Solis, amazing amateur. Moderate pro. Lot of guys who are crap amateurs or have no amateur experiences turn out to be good pros. It's a different game.

Solis is only a so-so pro becuase of his dedication. If he came in shape and kept himself fit them he would no doubt be HW champ.

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Solis is only a so-so pro becuase of his dedication. If he came in shape and kept himself fit them he would no doubt be HW champ.

Exactly the point I was trying to make about him.


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Wlad Klitschko was an amateur Gold Medal Winner, so was Lennox, so was Ali, Foreman, who else. I am just talking about the heavyweight division. DLH, Ward, Whitaker, Leonard, Roy Jones, Floyd Mayweather...

So were Harrison and Biggs. Even Povetkin is an example to some extent. Anyways, I'm being misunderstood. I'm a huge fan of the amateur game, and having a good background is obviously very very helpful to your pro career, no doubt. By no means is it a guarantee though. That's it.

Solis is only a so-so pro becuase of his dedication. If he came in shape and kept himself fit them he would no doubt be HW champ.

There would be some doubt in my mind.

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I never said it was a guarantee but it does help and people should stop trying to dismiss fighters with their "the pros is a different game" bs. Sure it is but when you have someone as polished and as pure as Rigo that argument is moot. It translated with Rigo and with Gamboa. Plus the other non Cubans that we know about.

This may sound crazy but with only 12 pro fights do you really think Rigo NEEDS a trainer? How many guys with 12, 15 or 20 fights can you say that about?

If you didn't notice, the only advice Diaz had for Rigo in the corner was "keep your hands up" (most of the time anyway).


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Oh btw, I'm not taking anything away from Diaz cause I know during camp by watching the videos he worked on some stuff.


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I never said it was a guarantee but it does help and people should stop trying to dismiss fighters with their "the pros is a different game" bs. Sure it is but when you have someone as polished and as pure as Rigo that argument is moot. It translated with Rigo and with Gamboa. Plus the other non Cubans that we know about.

This may sound crazy but with only 12 pro fights do you really think Rigo NEEDS a trainer? How many guys with 12, 15 or 20 fights can you say that about?

If you didn't notice, the only advice Diaz had for Rigo in the corner was "keep your hands up" (most of the time anyway).


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Of course it helps. It gives you a grounded understanding of the game. It's no wonder why the best amateurs in the game usually makes great pros.

Well, you don't teach Lionel Messi to play football. But he may need some tactical understanding from time to time. I felt like Rigo was in control from the beginning yesterday and would have probably won if he was alone in his corner.

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I never said it was a guarantee but it does help and people should stop trying to dismiss fighters with their "the pros is a different game" bs. Sure it is but when you have someone as polished and as pure as Rigo that argument is moot. It translated with Rigo and with Gamboa. Plus the other non Cubans that we know about.

This may sound crazy but with only 12 pro fights do you really think Rigo NEEDS a trainer? How many guys with 12, 15 or 20 fights can you say that about?

If you didn't notice, the only advice Diaz had for Rigo in the corner was "keep your hands up" (most of the time anyway).


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Of course it helps. It gives you a grounded understanding of the game. It's no wonder why the best amateurs in the game usually makes great pros.

Well, you don't teach Lionel Messi to play football. But he may need some tactical understanding from time to time. I felt like Rigo was in control from the beginning yesterday and would have probably won if he was alone in his corner.

You got my drift. I think we're on the same page now.

Donaire said the same thing about Rigo that Kennedy said "he's an amateur". How dumb would you feel after saying those comments and then totally getting destroyed.


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That's just not a fair way to look at it. Solis obviously didn't adapt well to the lifestyle in the US. He couldn't keep himself dedicated. When you're "starved" in Cuba and deprived of beef (yes beef is illegal over there) then come here and have all this freedom then its hard to stay dedicated.


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why do people always jump in with comments about Cuba, with such conviction, when actually they're rather mistaken...?

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That's just not a fair way to look at it. Solis obviously didn't adapt well to the lifestyle in the US. He couldn't keep himself dedicated. When you're "starved" in Cuba and deprived of beef (yes beef is illegal over there) then come here and have all this freedom then its hard to stay dedicated.


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why do people always jump in with comments about Cuba, with such conviction, when actually they're rather mistaken...?

I'm mistaken? I lived in Cuba 12 years of my life and beef was illegal. My stepfather spent time in jail cause when they came thru the house they found beef in the fridge. People started getting smarter and they started stashing it under ground in the yard.


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