So who will be remembered as the greater fighter, Pacquiao or Marquez?

[Bahamut Zero]

Pac = 8 DIVISION CHAMP! (this will stand for centuries mother****ers!)

Pac vs JMM = 2-1-1 (OFFICIAL)

THIS THREAD STOPS NOW!!!

[Jam Jars]

I dunno, how can RJJ be greater than Tarver, or Barrera vs Junior Jones?

RJJ was declining, Junior Jones was 1 bad fight. JMM outboxed Prime Pacquiao over 3 fights and KO'd him in the fourth, totally different. That can't be put down to being past prime or a bad night.

[HeroBando]

Doesn't work like that, they would beat Barrera and Morales too, but Barrera and Morales gave Pacquiao tougher fights.

What doesn't work? He's asking what made these guys so dangerous. Well it's clear they're more dangerous h2h, even the worst of Pac's opponents lately, Mosley, would lay waste on JMM's 2nd and 3rd best scalp h2h. Right? So I'd say JMM beating that same Marg at 150 would be tons more impressive than him beating Kats, Diaz, or that Casa.

[Jam Jars]

What doesn't work? He's asking what made these guys so dangerous. Well it's clear they're more dangerous h2h, even the worst of Pac's opponents lately, Mosley, would lay waste on JMM's 2nd and 3rd best scalp h2h. Right? So I'd say JMM beating that same Marg at 150 would be tons more impressive than him beating Kats, Diaz, or that Casa.

They aren't more dangerous than people that actually beat Pacquiao are they? How can they be? Bigger doesn't = better, JMM proved that against Pacquiao.

[HeroBando]

RJJ was declining, Junior Jones was 1 bad fight. JMM outboxed Prime Pacquiao over 3 fights and KO'd him in the fourth, totally different.

Pac was declining too, lets wipe the 4th off the record. MAB had another chance to prove he's better than Jones. And sure JMM outboxed Pac for the most part, but Pac's game is not outboxing dudes, it's speed and power. He dropped Marquez 4 times, and inflicted a ton of damage.

[HeroBando]

They aren't more dangerous than people that actually beat Pacquiao are they? How can they be? Bigger doesn't = better, JMM proved that against Pacquiao.

I'm saying Marg or Cotto would be far more dangerous to Marquez than were Diaz, Kats, that Casa. Along the same lines, I'm saying Marg, Cotto, Clottey, or even shot Mosley would make very easy work of all 3 of these guys. Disagree?

[Jam Jars]

I'm saying Marg or Cotto would be far more dangerous to Marquez than were Diaz, Kats, that Casa. Along the same lines, I'm saying Marg, Cotto, Clottey, or even shot Mosley would make very easy work of all 3 of these guys. Disagree?

Pacquiao was far more dangerous, he turned their faces into mush and beat the **** out of them. JMM KO'd Pacquiao. Who needs those guys when you knocked out the guy that beat them so easily.

[Jam Jars]

Pac was declining too, lets wipe the 4th off the record. MAB had another chance to prove he's better than Jones. And sure JMM outboxed Pac for the most part, but Pac's game is not outboxing dudes, it's speed and power. He dropped Marquez 4 times, and inflicted a ton of damage.

Pac was declining? JMM was 39 years old, 39 at the lower weights is like 50 at HW.

[HeroBando]

Pacquiao was far more dangerous, he turned their faces into mush and beat the **** out of them. JMM KO'd Pacquiao. Who needs those guys when you knocked out the guy that beat them so easily.

You're again talking about 1 guy. Everybody knows JMM is a tough matchup for Pac. He doesn't suddenly inherit Pac's win, that's Flo mo reasoning. I suppose Tarver was WBA HW champ then.

Just cut to the chase, give me JMM's 2nd and 3rd best scalp, and tell me where you put them on Pac's resume.

[HeroBando]

Pac was declining? JMM was 39 years old, 39 at the lower weights is like 50 at HW.

Yeah and Tarver is older than Jones. Glen Johnson was about the same age, but had to be older in ring years, don't you think?

Fighting guys like Cotto and Marg (even Clottey) will shorten your career, not to mention MAB and Morales earlier. Remember JMM having all kinds of issues and getting knocked down hard vs past prime Barrera.