Cleaning out a weight division or moving up in weight?

[-Kev-]

A fighter can't beat all 4 champs in a weight division. The organizations will b-tch about it and threaten to strip the fighter.

[-Kev-]

To answer the question, it depends. Are you moving up to fight a better fighter than any one in your current division? Is your division hot? Is the pay better if you stay and clean out your division, or if you move up in weight.

Boxing is a job, so you have to think about pay.

[bopbopbbe]

As much as i think broner is overhyped, beat paulie is absolutely better than beating any of the champions at lightweight. He's a just as good boxer or better than abril or vasquez and he's bigger with more experience. And burns is obviously not in broner's class lets be real.

[deuce_drop]

I like the Cleaning out the division better. People put up the argument that moving up you're the smaller guy having to fight big guys, and that's simply not true.

I look at moving up in weight as guys who dropped weight to fight at lower weights to have a size advantage and they can't make that weight anymore so they move up. To be short about it.

Whereas staying in one division and cleaning it out, you have to fight father time, as well as dealing with bigger guys dropping down into your weight division, along with fighting the natural weight fighters too. Seems more daunting than not fighting aging and moving up in weight.

that's my take at least.

[JAB5239]

no doubt .. thats is why ward's resume ****'s all over guerrero's altho ward is only a one divison champion compared to guerreros 2 and fought top rated guys in other 2 weighclasses...

my point is with "same day weigh in" it's easier to climb weightlcasses than when fighters are allowed to rehydrate .. thats is why guys who were climbing weightclasses like arsmtrong , ross , canzoneri , etc were really not in severe weight disvantage....

I see your point, but that is a whole different discussion. We can only judge by the circumstances fighters fought in. Lets say we put a guy from today back in the time when weigh ins were only hours before a fight. He wouldn't be fighting in the same division he does with day before weigh ins therefore wouldn't be climbing through weights as frequently. If you give the fighters of yesteryear more divisions and titles to win its going to happen because competition has been watered down. Now if you have to clean out the entire division instead...a much more difficult proposition in my opinion.

[JAB5239]

and size matters a lot ..ever heard of a great big man always wins vs a great small man .. size is a big factor in winning fights , obviouslly there are exceptions to this rule...

Yes I know. But lets put everyone on an even playing field. With same day weigh ins the weight classes are not compromised by gaining so much weight before a fight. Most fighters today wouldn't be able to make weight and wouldn't being in the current division under those circumstances.

[puga]

I see your point, but that is a whole different discussion. We can only judge by the circumstances fighters fought in. Lets say we put a guy from today back in the time when weigh ins were only hours before a fight. He wouldn't be fighting in the same division he does with day before weigh ins therefore wouldn't be climbing through weights as frequently. If you give the fighters of yesteryear more divisions and titles to win its going to happen because competition has been watered down. Now if you have to clean out the entire division instead...a much more difficult proposition in my opinion.

the bold is true too .. and the number of weigtclasses is ofcourse a given .. but im just talking about climbing weightclasses from the same weight class to the same weightclass now and before ..for example, a feather weight going up to welterweight with the same day weigh in rule in effect would not be in a severe size disadvantge compared to a featherweight going up to ww when rehydration is allowed .. the same day weight in rule favors the smaller guys coming up in weight while when rehydartion is allowed , the bigger guy has the luxury to have size advantage....this is why even the weightclimbers from the past were only about 5-10 lbs even when climbing two weighclasses higher(armstrong vs garcia) while fighters who fight in the same weightclass now are sometimes 10 lbs lbs apart (ortiz vs petesen for example)

Yes I know. But lets put everyone on an even playing field. With same day weigh ins the weight classes are not compromised by gaining so much weight before a fight. Most fighters today wouldn't be able to make weight and wouldn't being in the current division under those circumstances.

it only means one thing , fighters back then were smaller for the same weightclass than now .. it is irelevant to what i am making a point of...

[Canelo Phresh]

No wonder despite of other people saying it is easy to achieve, the fact that there are thousands or million of boxers around the world from the past and present only a few boxers who held a 5 or 6 weight division titles as of now.

Their is the Pac defense.

[whirlwind]

You hero is a 5 weight divisions title holder..Unless you admit it means nothing to you becuse none of those belts came from atg fighters anyway.

[JAB5239]

the bold is true too .. and the number of weigtclasses is ofcourse a given .. but im just talking about climbing weightclasses from the same weight class to the same weightclass now and before ..for example, a feather weight going up to welterweight with the same day weigh in rule in effect would not be in a severe size disadvantge compared to a featherweight going up to ww when rehydration is allowed .. the same day weight in rule favors the smaller guys coming up in weight while when rehydartion is allowed , the bigger guy has the luxury to have size advantage....this is why even the weightclimbers from the past were only about 5-10 lbs even when climbing two weighclasses higher(armstrong vs garcia) while fighters who fight in the same weightclass now are sometimes 10 lbs lbs apart (ortiz vs petesen for example)



it only means one thing , fighters back then were smaller for the same weightclass than now .. it is irelevant to what i am making a point of...

No my friend fighters were not smaller, the weight classes today do not have the same integrity. Weighing in 36 hours before a fight and coming in 2 and 3 weight classes higher doesn't make you bigger, it means you could never make weight 6 hours before a fight and be in condition to get in the ring. Make these guys go back to same day weigh ins and you will see a tremendous shift of fighters to different weight classes.