Comments Thread For: Team Martinez: Golovkin, Geale Possible - Who is Quillin?

[MurkaMan]

Amazing revisionism! Martinez was a big favorite to beat Chavez. Let's not forget that. It was expected by everyone but some Chavez faithful that Martinez would win easy. That's why it was shocking Martinez almost got KOd.

I dont care about betting odds. But before the fight, The consensus was that artinez may be aging, and Chavez was improving. When Chavez fought Rubio and Lee, and Martinez fought Macklin, it seemed as if Martinez was aging. Martinez walked that big ass guy down, and dominated. I knew he could have got knocked out at any point, because he was taking risk and fighting on the inside as well. What a warrior.

[Good Boy]

It was 3-1 odds I know this because I still have the details on 5dimes as I bet big on Martinez.

Well some sites had 2-1. Regardless, that's not a big favourite.

[Szef]

I changed the subject because he was discrediting Martinez win over Chavez, who some forget, was too big for Martinez. Martinez walked the guy down, and Chavez needs to be two weight classes higher than mw. How can u discredit that win, when Bhop's whole resume is questionable? Not only that, but who cares if we change the subject? Get over it bro. All the debates turn out like this.

For Christ sake Chavez fight was big beacuse of money, and Jr's name. He got humiliated for a 11 and a half round. JCC is a CW who is a bum at Middleweight division. He had his paper title thanks to his nam
e and his godfather. The title which he lost to Zbik btw

[Ray*]

Hype asside , martinez whoops ggg

We have to wait and see how he does after his fight with Murray, remember Murray is a hard head and Martinez is coming off a knee surgery.

[MurkaMan]

You mean like Chavez? You're judging him and making him into some monster off of fighting bums, who he didnt even KO. He was at his biggest Vs Zbik and many thought he lost not to mention he didnt KO him. He couldnt KO Rubio either. Golovkin does not walk into punches, he is very skilled and fights off his jab. JJC is the epitome of walking into punches and Golovkin is one of the hardest punchers around.

I never said i think he beats martinez, quite the opposite actually. GGG was getting outboxed by Rosada? Is that a joke You're making excuse like a scared fan afraid of Golovkin beating Sergio if he fights him. Look at how you ridiculously hype up JCC to be some super monster and shooting down everybody else for Sergio while he is facing a face first guy who never even beat anyone close to who Chavez, golovkin or Quillin beat

BUT Chavez didnt start improving until the Rubio fight. No one expected him to beat the crap out of Andy Lee. No one expected that. GGG couldnt even drop Rosado. He was getting outboxed allot. And STOP highlighting portions u WANT to respond to. Quick picking and choosing. Respond to the whole thing.

[BafanaBafana]

Clearly you didn't read the thread, I didn't bring up Hopkins.



I didn't leave them out. I literally posted the 25 fighters Martinez fought before Cintron.



Again, either you didn't read all of the thread or you're having a hard time following. Dude claimed Hopkins carefully built his resume and cherry picked fighters, while saying Martinez will fight anyone. I pointed out how Martinez with 45 fights virtually fought no one of note so its obviously hypocritical to claim Hopkins built his resume when Martinez did exactly that.

Honestly, you guys are so off topic I really don't know WTF you guys are arguing about...

Anyhow you don't seem to realize that before his first HBO dates (against Bunema and Cintron) Martinez couldn't draw any big/decent names into a fight. Vernon Forrest ducked Sergio for years, and in the end gave up his title before fighting him.

Even before that (2007), Sergio fought a WBC eliminator against Saul Roman that would make him a mandatory to the DLH-Mayweather winner, but when Floyd vacated the title they had Forrest fight Baldomir for the vacated title instead (the WBC has been ****ing on Sergio for years). Even before that (2003) you had a young inexperience welterweight Sergio move up to fight the IBO 154 titleholder (R. Williams) in his hometown (Manchester, England) in a fight he where he came in as the underdog and was expected to lose. Also, in 2000, a green Martinez with only 2 years as a pro took on Antonio Margarito (who would go on to win a belt only a year later) in Las Vegas in what was his first fight outside of Argentina.

So I don't see how anyone can claim Martinez has been "cherrypicking" opponents or that he hasn't taken on risks when the opportunity arose.

As far as Hopkins, he built up his career early on but he also took a risk early on when he fought Roy for a vacant title. However, you have to keep in mind that Hopkins won the IBF title in 1995 and didn't unify until 2000 when he fought Keith Holmes and he probably as big a draw if not bigger than Sergio was. Different fighters different careers, I don't think either is/was a cherry-picker.

[ИATAS]

Well some sites had 2-1. Regardless, that's not a big favourite.

It's a considerable favorite.

Betting aside, I didn't see hardly any boxing jounalist or expert pick Chavez to win. Anyways, my point was Martinez was expected to win.

[Bob Boss Monies]

BUT Chavez didnt start improving until the Rubio fight. No one expected him to beat the crap out of Andy Lee. No one expected that. GGG couldnt even drop Rosado. He was getting outboxed allot. And STOP highlighting portions u WANT to respond to. Quick picking and choosing. Respond to the whole thing.

I don't think you're using that word correctly... Which rounds did you end up scoring for Rosado in that fight?

[Good Boy]

It's a considerable favorite.

Betting aside, I didn't see hardly any boxing jounalist or expert pick Chavez to win. Anyways, my point was Martinez was expected to win.

Just because you're expected to win doesn't mean wins still can't be very good

[MurkaMan]

if his whole resume is questionable why are you stuck in the time period of him being 46 years old and already an ATG

Whatever Hopkins achieved after Tarver was just icing on the cake.

Maybe I can agree with that. But his whole legacy was carefully structured. I already admitted he has a BETTER legacy than Martinez. But I also pointed out that it was carefully planed, with him fighting smaller guys. See? We can have it both ways. I give him props you want me to, but I also speak truth about how it was done.