Comments Thread For: Vasyl Lomachenko Barely Gets Past Albert Selimov

[Russian Crushin]

Why are so many amateurs waiting so long to turn pro these days? 25-30 is becoming pretty normal. It's crazy. They have 10 fights and are already 30 years old and past their physical prime.

I'm still not sold on Vasyl as a pro. He has skill, and can translate, but as it stands right now, I think he'd get caught coming inside and KTFO. Or there is a big chance that could happen. Southpaws with his style ie the Tyson peekaboo style are so prone to getting KTFO with straight right hands. He has no right hand to speak of, apart from right hook to the body, thus he has no jab and you need a good jab in the pros. A weak, flicky, pawing jab gets you countered. The way he leaps in and charges could spell disaster against a good right handed puncher.

Looking forward to seeing what he can do though. Hopefully he irons out some of those amateur flaws he still has. I'm glad he's not waiting any longer though. 26 by the time he turns pro already! Most great fighters have been champions for years by 26 or certainly in the peak of their pro careers.

For many, staying the amateurs and representing your country is their goal early in life and possibly going to the olympics. Many of the guys who go into the pros very early take 7-8 years to develop against nobodies anyway so guys like Uysk and Lomachenko are in the amateurs fighting the best amateurs on the planet and actually challenging themselves. Hopefully this will also mean a shorter development period when they actually enter the pros because you can see they have terrific skill which is shown against top amateurs

[steven_z]

I saw the fight, no way he won 5 rounds. IMO that was close enough to go the other way, with some home cooking

Good for you. Keep in mind what I said and don't smoke too much.

[ShoulderRoll]

Keep in mind that this article "Vasyl Lomachenko Barely Gets Past Albert Selimov" written by Alexey Sukachev, journalist with low credibility and well known Lomachenko hater. Back in 2011 he called Lomachenko's win against Ramirez "controversial".

The 2011 fight against Jose Ramirez WAS controversial so he was right to call it that. He's not the only one who thought so.

[GStalker]

There is no possible way to score it for Selimov in spite of the "split decision". The title should read "Lomachenko beats Selimov for the second time and wins their series 2-1 to prove mastery over the only boxer to beat him in over 350 fights". But it's a Russian author so what do you expect.

Mikhnienko, I've expected this kind of post from you, and you have lived up to these expectations. The title of the story reflects the actual fact: that was a split decision, so that Lomachenko barely gets past Selimov indeed. It was a split nod, and had Vasily been unlucky, he would have found himslf on a wrong end of a close decision. Btw, it was indeed close, and I scored it 48-47 - for Lomachenko.

The title you suggest is not a title at all and more of a sub-title in my mind. And, yes, it has nothing to do with anyone's ethnicity despite some nationalistic punks picking this card to play ;-)

[GStalker]

Keep in mind that this article "Vasyl Lomachenko Barely Gets Past Albert Selimov" written by Alexey Sukachev, journalist with low credibility and well known Lomachenko hater. Back in 2011 he called Lomachenko's win against Ramirez "controversial".
In this fight with Selimov Lomachenko had an edge in all 5 rounds: 2 were close, 2 with clear advantage and 1 dominant. The judges were biased in Baku, that's why the final scores were 48:47, 48:47, 47:48.
Watch the fight and decide for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49AAs...layer_embedded

O RLY? Calling someone a hater is a long shot, isn't it? The win over JC Ramirez wasn't as clear as you believ it to be, and Lomachenko was supported by the BoxingScene all way through including an extensive coverage of his professional career...

[Mikhnienko]

Mikhnienko, I've expected this kind of post from you, and you have lived up to these expectations. The title of the story reflects the actual fact: that was a split decision, so that Lomachenko barely gets past Selimov indeed. It was a split nod, and had Vasily been unlucky, he would have found himslf on a wrong end of a close decision. Btw, it was indeed close, and I scored it 48-47 - for Lomachenko.

The title you suggest is not a title at all and more of a sub-title in my mind. And, yes, it has nothing to do with anyone's ethnicity despite some nationalistic punks picking this card to play ;-)

You are correct in saying that but using that logic it is equally correct to say that Alexander won a clear decision over Kotelnyk since all three judges scores the fight 8-4 for Alexander. It would be factually correct but it would in no way reflect reality. Note the difference.

You can have fights that are close on the scorecards but can still be robberies since each round was decisively won by a particular fighter. In this case there is no reasonable way you could give rounds 1,2,4 to Selimov, giving him the 3rd and 5th isnt unreasonable but it is somewhat generous. Even if you give him those two rounds as you did and the fight was close on your scorecard being 48-47 that in no way justifies your statement that Selimov could have just as easily been the winner.

[Kyshenko Team]

it makes me pretty sick, to be honest. now, to be fair, with this "modern athlete" stuff, these guys are staying near top form later in life than they used to. it's still a shame to see an athlete waste his 20's, which will always be a man's peak, without getting paid.

not true at all, most great amateurs before they turn pro, earned over million $.

[{Pito}]

I see the problem here. Most people believe that elite amateurs are low level pros. So, so, so, wrong. One must consider the way the latest crop of elite amateurs are. For example the Ukrainian team fights with power speed intelligence and heart. They don't have that pawing win on points bit. You can't believe all elite amateurs are low level pros. That is simply not the case. You have to take in all the variables

[daggum]

senchenko>lomachenko

[prinzemanspopa]

You've not truly proven your worth until you've slugged it out in front of 67 drunken gamblers in some crappy Indian casino resort somewhere in the Midwest.ESPN will happily televise that sh^t and Teddy Atlas will happily bemoan the fact that such a decorated amateur is fighting some stiff.



Anyone who's still willingly competing as an amateur in their mid 20's should be ashamed of themselves.It's like a grown man playing in the park with little children.