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last 20 years between roy and pac? roy jones
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I believe there is a difference between being shot and losing a little. Ali at the end of his career was shot. Jones is shot now, and has been for a few years. But when he started getting knocked out? Jones wasn't shot. He didn't walk in like Ali did against Holmes or Berbick. Actually, it was more like Ali after his return. Not quite the athlete he was before. Ali showed his greatness through how he was able to change.
Floyd has been slowing down for a good while now, but that hasn't stopped him from dominating his opponents.Comment
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Roy has been shot for almost a decade.
Floyd, B-Hop and those other guys never had to take off 30+lbs of muscle, that ruined Roy as a fighter. It didn't just take his speed, it took his power, his reflexes, his punch resistance and just about everything else. Roy was already past prime when he went to HW, he just had enough of his 'superman' attributes to still look good, but when he came back down he lost 3 of his next 4 fights, many would say all 4 of them...including 2 by brutal KO.
He was shot the moment he dropped back down from HW.Comment
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Really, an undefeated James Toney with over 40 fights (at his greatest), a young Bernard Hopkins who went on to become arguably the best middle weight reign in history, a young Olympic gold medalist Antonio Tarver, A prime Montell Griffin, and though Ruiz was far from great he beat great heavyweights in their prime.Comment
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styles make fights, as I said before, Jones for me only did the basics in boxing well, his superman abilities did the rest for him, he was the ultimate boxing athlete in his prime, I would say the best boxing body of all time, his speed and power was just insane
with that said he had a poor jab, poor defence and a poor boxing brain, so when he lost his superman powers, he just started losing
some styles take you out early, roys style meant he won't have a long career like say hopkins or floyd who are supreme technically gifted boxers in the game
Manny Pac is slightly difference but again, he relies a hell of a lot on his body, his movement when attacking is better than roys, his combination punching and the way he used his angles to really land his shots brought back entertainment that was lost by the current crop of 147s at the time (mainly floyd). He relied a lot on his conditioning for his all action style, more importantly he relied on his speed and sharpness....
while someone like floyd can rely on his head to not take risks and lure fights in, pac when he lost a bit of his speed, started landing less often, he started getting hit more often by counters, thus you see the man today, both pac and roy relied on their extreme speed and sharpness, naturally both lost it early which is what happens...
both made mistakes at not retiring early, around 31 years old both needed to retire I would say, that way they can leave at top but both neverComment
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Did it also take his boxing IQ? Was he slower, perhaps less powerful, with not as great reflexes? Yep. But it isn't like all thost attributes just fell off the map. It also didn't mean he had to start losing in such a fashion. It wasn't like he simply lost, he got his backside kicked.Comment
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Jones for me was better. Toney was one of the top 3 fighters of the time and he beat him with no doubts.
Jones was late for the party at 168. Eubank, Benn, Collins and others were already past their prime. I wish that he had fought Durius Michalczewski and Calzaghe at that time.
Pac has good wins against Morales, Marquez and Barrera that rank very high in my book, but he also lost to two of them. The catchweight fights taints a bit his other titles especially the one for the 154 titleComment
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