UFC fighter punches boxing coach & gets KTFO!

[killamoneymike]

If there were no rounds and all out street fight, I would always favour a boxer to land flush.

Boxers have supreme accuracy, speed and timing and may look bad in the ring, but that's because other world class boxers are there looking at timing, stance, reflexes, posture to evade those shots.

MMA guys will get hit more than boxers do, let alone hit back and hit flush.

If both didn't have rounds to think and conserve energy, a boxer will more than likely tag a MMA guy on the chin and knock him out.

I respect martial artists, some train hard, work hard and are strong. These MMA guys can beat the **** out of a lot of people, and boxers, and leg kicks hurt a hell of a lot, but a kick is a lot harder to KO someone than a punch simply because in a random environment, a punch is a lot easier to do.

For example on a bus, in a restaurant etc... there are obstacles like seats, poles, chairs, pillars in the way.

I agree I mean they are more trained in standing and exchanging punches and have many punch/pad/speedbag/sparring/ all kinds of drills to make them have supreme timing/ overall punching skill level. It would be scary for an MMA fighter to fight a boxer using just hands. But thats why in a street fight you dont have to use just hands.

And I know there is obstacles in the real enviorment like seats/chairs. But who really plans to fight on a bus anyway? It works both ways too because I'm sure it'd be no fun for a boxer to have his back slammed on a chair.

Yes punching someone in the face is always the more readily available option and the easiest especially in phone booth type quaters. Although the knees can be devastating as well in that situation. It works both ways.

[Los Zetas]

Yeah man know a few pros with many losses that can still generate enough power on a single shot to put anybody out.

Yep, don't get me wrong, mma guys can KO with one kick or punch too, but most fights I have seen on the street start out standing up and a lot of those are in punching range.

I know Erick the eagle Ochieing. He has been on I Film London videos on youtube a few times. He is only a 154 but he showed me how to punch hard. Just looking at how his body works to get power is cool, and he isn't even that strong with KO's professionally.

Put a MMA guy and boxer close range to an opponent. Say they are arguing at 2 feet away.

Let the MMA and Boxer start their move. What would both use? I bet both would punch first.

[GrandpaBernard]

Boxers have the initiative. If neither is in a fighting stance, the boxer can get his piece in first

[Los Zetas]

I agree I mean they are more trained in standing and exchanging punches and have many punch/pad/speedbag/sparring/ all kinds of drills to make them have supreme timing/ overall punching skill level. It would be scary for an MMA fighter to fight a boxer using just hands. But thats why in a street fight you dont have to use just hands.

And I know there is obstacles in the real enviorment like seats/chairs. But who really plans to fight on a bus anyway? It works both ways too because I'm sure it'd be no fun for a boxer to have his back slammed on a chair.

Yes punching someone in the face is always the more readily available option and the easiest especially in phone booth type quaters. Although the knees can be devastating as well in that situation. It works both ways.

I did Wing Chun, Kung Fu and boxed. I sparred many styles from Muay Thai on wards and I will say that kicks hurt but also can stop you getting close to someone. I am not Anti MMA, I enjoy it, but having seen professional boxers, I will say they could KO anyone. Their art is so specialised to one thing that only the very best make it.

The speed, power and technique is really unreal to land. These are supreme athletes.

MMA is new and I would say that the people who do it are not supreme athletes to boxing level. You have guys like GSP, Bones, Silva who are, but there are some who are dubious. The fact that it is mixed allows some flaws serious flaws to be hidden away.

It's like this. There are guys who are great at BJJ but not good at MMA because they have weak chins. If they kept it BJJ they would be world champs.

On the other side, a boxer may not be strong to lift another human, or be flexible to wrap legs around a man etc... it goes both ways.

But I will always hold the boxer at an advantage in any situation. I myself will always punch first in a street fight and it may be looked bad upon, but if it gets heated before anything physical, I punch first because I learnt surprise is the best way to winning.

[killamoneymike]

You have Horse meat eaters like Overeem who cheat, to Diaz who openly smokes weed twice.

However there are far more douche UFC fans. They don't even know Pride, or Strikeforce. They are sheeps. Then there are the ex WWE fans who are pure trash knuckle heads.

As for 4 ounce gloves, getting knocked out is a lot easier than taking a beating for 12 rounds. That is when your heart is questioned when your face is all cut up and swollen.

UFC has plenty of dodgy decisions, but also is all ****ed up. Brock Lesnar went to a title shot? Chael to face Jone Bones?

Diaz VS GSP? Meh Silva VS GSP is what the fans have been calling for.

Dana will make anything to sell a fight and make money too.

So what if "Nick Diaz smoked weed twice". Thats LOL worthy you would even bring that up. You got guys in boxing doing coke before fights and God knows what kind of steroids. They get caught so they merely switch to another major orginization and athletic commision, then BAM they are back in line for another title fight.

Getting knocked out is a lot easier than a prolongued beating for 12 rounds? Perhaps true but thats only because theres 36 minutes in a boxing match and 25 in a title match in MMA. And usually the prolongued beatings in boxing the corner should have thrown in the towel long ago so I'm not sure if I could agree with that point. And I'd say these MMA guys' faces be getting ****ed up just as much as boxing if not more. Idn, both their faces be getting ****ed up.

And I have not really met any of the cross over WWE fans in real life there were a lot of Brock Lesnar nuthuggers but they have all subsided with him that was just a short phase.

And lets not act like boxing doesnt give the fans the fights they wanna see either. You got guys acting as their own bosses in boxing like Floyd Mayweather, PURPOSELY avoiding all the fights you want to see cause they'd rather not lose. Don't even get me started on that. They have to comply with the big boss man in the UFC, Dana White, or else they get the boot. They are currently working on GSP vs Anderson Silva if Anderson wins his next fight against Weidman. A fight a Anderson didn't want but had no choice to take...

About the Chael Sonnen Jon Jones title I dont really know whats good with that, that is more of a money fight for each guy much like Broner-Malinaggi will be. Boxing makes fights that make no sense A LOT more than the UFC imo.

[MTN]

MMA guys generally have weaker chins? Do you consider that cause you see them getting knocked out more. Did anyone tell you that they were using 4 oz gloves?

Getting punched from a boxer who has 8/10oz gloves hurts just as much, if not more then an MMA fighter with 4oz gloves. Boxers have far quicker hands, more precision and accuracy then an MMA fighter. There's the old saying and I'm sure even you can agree with... "The punches that hurt the most are the ones you dont see." The reason you see more KO's in MMA isn't because of the glove size, its cause of there weak chins, terrible defense, 0 head movement, inability to roll punches. Generally when MMA fighters get cracked hard, what do they do? They clinch up and try to take the guy down cause of fear of getting KO'd.

There are crafts of MMA that can be just as hard to master as boxing and its ironic cause boxing is actually one of the crafts of MMA. lol. But there are so many different forms of fighting into one. Its crazy.

Yes, I agree, there are many crafts in MMA, boxing being one of them but the fact is... EVERY MMA fighter today is not great at anything, including Anderson Silva or GSP.

You dont have to be a better puncher to win a street fight. You can indeed take a man down and hold him there on concrete I know it is harder, but on the other hand it hurts them A LOT more.

And you dont have to be a better wrestler to win a street fight. Yes it would hurt the guy at the bottom but who says the guy on top wont be? There are certain techniques to pass the guys guard, get side control or mount him that involved you scraping and grinding your knees on cement so it wont be as easy as it would be inside an octagon or on a mat.

Look at a guys like Rampage Jackson or Cain Velasquez' wrestling and tell me you wouldnt be scared to fight them in a streetfight (concrete floor) knowing the way they have been known to ruthlessly slam people.

Every fight starts on the feet, and it takes one punch to change the way you think. Again, like Mike Tyson said "Everyone has a game plan til they get punched." There are no rules in the streets, so up kicking to the face, headbutting, eye gouging, biting is all fair if there on top of you.

Look at a guy like Anthony Pettis who can stand up with you and knows footwork. If you are a pro boxer you probably have the hand advantage. But man you better watch for his kicks, before you catch a shin to the head and wake up with an 18 stitch-requiring gash on your forehead.

Anthony Pettis is a good MMA striker... Thats as far as it goes. If boxers have to worry about Anthony's kicks then Pettis has to worry about a boxers punches cause the hands are faster then the eyes and certainly faster then the legs.

[MTN]

And are you really gonna say it has more class? I'll admit the whole UFC theme on ****e was kinda doushy, but it is on the right track ever switching to FX and FOX.

Boxing generally does have more class. MMA has a bunch of skin heads or guys with dyed mohawks/mullets that are all covered with tatoos and wear tapout/affliction and puff out there chest. Majority of MMA fighters look like meat heads then put more time in a weight lifting gym then they do a fight club.

Boxing USED to have class and may have been doing good for itself lately but there is still plenty of controversy, all of the world in many orginizations. Dont get me started. You got guys like Adrien Broner running around. That should be enough said...

There is plenty of controversy in boxing cause boxers are not only fighters but promoters as well. They need to sell themselves hence why boxers generally make more money then MMA fighters. Adrien Broner is young and making more money then any MMA fighter out there.

There is plenty of controversy in MMA but none of the fighters are making anything out of it. All the money still goes to Dana White, they get no PPV cuts. So there controversy mainly benefits the UFC rather then themselves.

And you dont know what kind of heart/determination it takes to be an MMA fighter. You try fighting with those 4 oz gloves, those guys are risking being knocked out at about a 75% higher rate than boxers when they step into the cage, you tell me theres no heart in that.

Getting KO'd is safer then taking ongoing punishment for 12 rounds. It takes more heart and will to go 12 rounds and taking and giving punches for 12 rounds. Boxing used to be 15 rounds which is the scary part. Its safer to get KO'd in 30 seconds then it is to get punched over and over and over for a long period of time. So yes boxing does take more heart.

But this is not MMA>boxing or boxing>MMA I like them both about equal I just have to argue certain points that I think do not apply.

Fair enough. You're free to do so.

[konfirm]

wow, a C level wrestler would beat the **** out of any boxer in his weight class. Ya'all don't know **** about fighting. The boxer would have a one shot opportunity but as soon as they clinch it's over.

[MTN]

wow, a C level wrestler would beat the **** out of any boxer in his weight class. Ya'all don't know **** about fighting. The boxer would have a one shot opportunity but as soon as they clinch it's over.

As soon as a wrestler gets cracked... Its over. It goes both ways.

[Los Zetas]

So what if "Nick Diaz smoked weed twice". Thats LOL worthy you would even bring that up. You got guys in boxing doing coke before fights and God knows what kind of steroids. They get caught so they merely switch to another major orginization and athletic commision, then BAM they are back in line for another title fight.

Getting knocked out is a lot easier than a prolongued beating for 12 rounds? Perhaps true but thats only because theres 36 minutes in a boxing match and 25 in a title match in MMA. And usually the prolongued beatings in boxing the corner should have thrown in the towel long ago so I'm not sure if I could agree with that point. And I'd say these MMA guys' faces be getting ****ed up just as much as boxing if not more. Idn, both their faces be getting ****ed up.

And I have not really met any of the cross over WWE fans in real life there were a lot of Brock Lesnar nuthuggers but they have all subsided with him that was just a short phase.

And lets not act like boxing doesnt give the fans the fights they wanna see either. You got guys acting as their own bosses in boxing like Floyd Mayweather, PURPOSELY avoiding all the fights you want to see cause they'd rather not lose. Don't even get me started on that. They have to comply with the big boss man in the UFC, Dana White, or else they get the boot. They are currently working on GSP vs Anderson Silva if Anderson wins his next fight against Weidman. A fight a Anderson didn't want but had no choice to take...

About the Chael Sonnen Jon Jones title I dont really know whats good with that, that is more of a money fight for each guy much like Broner-Malinaggi will be. Boxing makes fights that make no sense A LOT more than the UFC imo.

Faces do get cut up in both, but as I said, if you start to wrestle, get in a Muay Thai stance or use some BJJ, that limits the hit to the face. In boxing, to carry on and win, you will get hit on that cut etc...

I agree on a lot of boxing fights not being made, that is one bad thing about Boxing.

However I also feel UFC is cheesy. The commentators often hype up a fight in cheesy ways, particularly trying to half blind the fans on how dangerous this guy is etc... They are far worse than HBO etc... A fighter could have so many loses but they use excuses and bring up what he did this or that.

And I like Joe Rogan, but when ti comes to UFC he is a douche.