UFC fighter punches boxing coach & gets KTFO!

[BigAlexSand]

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Anderson Silva is the top P4P. He lost in Boxing and his record is 1-1.

Indeed you need immense skill to box.

To Silvas credit he does posses great boxing skill at the MMA level. Put him in with Ward or Dawson; they box circles around him.

[MTN]

First off, boxing is a harder sport to master then MMA, cause quite frankly there are no masters of there craft in MMA. MMA athletes are okay/good at everything but aren't great/masters at anything. Generally MMA fighters have weaker chins and are bigger mental midgets.

Guys like Anderson Silva, GSP, Penn, Nick Diaz, Jon Jones, etc. are all good strikers... To MMA standards, but they would all be cab drivers/journeymen in professional boxing. MMA is a sport for fighters who are finished and/or didn't make it in there own sport so they jump into MMA.

Look at guys like Rich Franklin(former school teacher), Forrest Griffin(former cop), Brock Lesnar (former WWE wrestler), Jose Conseco(former MLB player), KJ Noons(former boxer), etc. The list goes on and on... These guys are all great athletes but MMA is technically a new sport that just arrived to the mainstream in the last decade.

I know people will say MMA has been around since the day of the Romans, etc. Yes it did go by the names of Vale Tudo or Pankration before the term 'MMA' came about. But if you look at the fighters in the vale tudo and pankration days, even they were very unskilled wild tough guys... And to this day its still the same with MMA except it evolved a bit and there technique looks a bit more refined. Since the beginning of boxing, boxers always had that proper technique and skill, except now boxers, just add a bit of there own style/swag or whatever you want to call it.

That being said, this whole "MMA fighters would beat boxers in a street fight" is ******. First, its the fighter, not the sport that determines who wins. Second, for those who think MMA fighters would win because they have "more tools", take into consideration the scenery of the fight.

Whether it be on cement, grass, or wherever... An MMA fighter can't just "take down" a boxer and start pounding on him. Take into consideration the fact that its already hard as it is to grapple on a mat, let alone the cement where you scratch, sc**** and grind up your knees and elbows to pass guard, get side control, or mount, etc.

Also a fighter who is punching from his knees has less power then a guy who punches on his feet. There is less moment and torque when you are punching on your knees. Besides, MMA has rules just like boxing has rules... And in the streets, there are no rules so hitting the back of the head, the groin, headbutting, fish hooking, eye gouging are all fair game.

Like I said, this whole who would win a street fight thing is nonsense. Some MMA fighters can beat boxers in a street fight and vice versa. When its all said and done, boxing is the much harder craft to master then MMA. Its the more refined and technical sport, the sport with more class, and it takes a lot more heart, will and determination to be a boxer then it is to be an MMA fighter.

[killamoneymike]

I thought you watch the fights?
Silva won, by fainting 3 of Sonnens punchs, countered him (which put him on the ground) and then kneed him while standing. The Griffin fight was all Boxing. The Mia fight wa all boxing. Belfort was all boxing outside of the kick to stop a take down. The Sonnen fight was a failed attempt at boxing, which he had to pulp a triangle choke out his @$$.

Dos Santos has not gone to the ground in the UFC outside of his lose, in which he boxed his opponents heads off. Example Cain 1, Nelson, Struve, and rioded Wrestler Mir.

GSP, I will give it to you switchs things up but if it was not for his extensive late boxing lessons you would not have seen exciting fights like Diaz (which he out boxed and wrestled Diaz), Kotschik which he broke his orbital socket thanks to the jab he attributes to Freddie Roach.

I was not reffering to the Chael fight I was actually reffering to the Stephan Bonnar fight. I know he outboxes most of his opponents. But DONT act like thats all of his standup game. Anderson is just as versatile if not more versatile with his elbows and kicks too. Plus the knees.

The Griffin fight was all boxing? How dare you bring a 40 year old Forrest Griffin into this argument. That doesnt ever matter. A current day Rocky Marciano could beat Forrest Griffin.

And the GSP-Diaz and GSP-Koscheck fight were anything but exciting. lol. Is that sarcasm. I dont care if he was putting on a highly technical jab clinic against Koscheck it was boring as ****. Like watching Malinaggi or someone like that.

GSP has some of the most technical boxing in MMA (supersedes Anderson) that he might have learned 95% from Freddie Roach. But its not the person training him, it is his mind. That is the case with every fighter.

Really this argument is futile because 75% of fighting in ANY combat sport is done with the mind. Its about who's smartest. Right now GSP and Jon Jones are looking about the smartest in MMA, while Andre Ward and Floyd Mayweather are looking the brightest in the boxing ring.

When you get them together to fight WHO KNOWS what will happen. Lets just leave it at that. We have not even SEEN very many examples of in shape MMA guy vs in shape boxing guy so we cant even go by example at this point.

Until then all this boxing guys> MMA guys talk or MMA guys> boxing guys talk is ******.

[killamoneymike]

First off, boxing is a harder sport to master then MMA, cause quite frankly there are no masters of there craft in MMA. MMA athletes are okay/good at everything but aren't great/masters at anything. Generally MMA fighters have weaker chins and are bigger mental midgets.

Guys like Anderson Silva, GSP, Penn, Nick Diaz, Jon Jones, etc. are all good strikers... To MMA standards, but they would all be cab drivers/journeymen in professional boxing. MMA is a sport for fighters who are finished and/or didn't make it in there own sport so they jump into MMA.

Look at guys like Rich Franklin(former school teacher), Forrest Griffin(former cop), Brock Lesnar (former WWE wrestler), Jose Conseco(former MLB player), KJ Noons(former boxer), etc. The list goes on and on... These guys are all great athletes but MMA is technically a new sport that just arrived to the mainstream in the last decade.

I know people will say MMA has been around since the day of the Romans, etc. Yes it did go by the names of Vale Tudo or Pankration before the term 'MMA' came about. But if you look at the fighters in the vale tudo and pankration days, even they were very unskilled wild tough guys... And to this day its still the same with MMA except it evolved a bit and there technique looks a bit more refined. Since the beginning of boxing, boxers always had that proper technique and skill, except now boxers, just add a bit of there own style/swag or whatever you want to call it.

That being said, this whole "MMA fighters would beat boxers in a street fight" is ******. First, its the fighter, not the sport that determines who wins. Second, for those who think MMA fighters would win because they have "more tools", take into consideration the scenery of the fight.

Whether it be on cement, grass, or wherever... An MMA fighter can't just "take down" a boxer and start pounding on him. Take into consideration the fact that its already hard as it is to grapple on a mat, let alone the cement where you scratch, sc**** and grind up your knees and elbows to pass guard, get side control, or mount, etc.

Also a fighter who is punching from his knees has less power then a guy who punches on his feet. There is less moment and torque when you are punching on your knees. Besides, MMA has rules just like boxing has rules... And in the streets, there are no rules so hitting the back of the head, the groin, headbutting, fish hooking, eye gouging are all fair game.

Like I said, this whole who would win a street fight thing is nonsense. Some MMA fighters can beat boxers in a street fight and vice versa. When its all said and done, boxing is the much harder craft to master then MMA. Its the more refined and technical sport, the sport with more class, and it takes a lot more heart, will and determination to be a boxer then it is to be an MMA fighter.

MMA guys generally have weaker chins? Do you consider that cause you see them getting knocked out more. Did anyone tell you that they were using 4 oz gloves?

There are crafts of MMA that can be just as hard to master as boxing and its ironic cause boxing is actually one of the crafts of MMA. lol. But there are so many different forms of fighting into one. Its crazy.

You dont have to be a better puncher to win a street fight. You can indeed take a man down and hold him there on concrete I know it is harder, but on the other hand it hurts them A LOT more.

Look at a guys like Rampage Jackson or Cain Velasquez' wrestling and tell me you wouldnt be scared to fight them in a streetfight (concrete floor) knowing the way they have been known to ruthlessly slam people.

Look at a guy like Anthony Pettis who can stand up with you and knows footwork. If you are a pro boxer you probably have the hand advantage. But man you better watch for his kicks, before you catch a shin to the head and wake up with an 18 stitch-requiring gash on your forehead.

Its not as black and white as you put it.

[Los Zetas]

If there were no rounds and all out street fight, I would always favour a boxer to land flush.

Boxers have supreme accuracy, speed and timing and may look bad in the ring, but that's because other world class boxers are there looking at timing, stance, reflexes, posture to evade those shots.

MMA guys will get hit more than boxers do, let alone hit back and hit flush.

If both didn't have rounds to think and conserve energy, a boxer will more than likely tag a MMA guy on the chin and knock him out.

I respect martial artists, some train hard, work hard and are strong. These MMA guys can beat the **** out of a lot of people, and boxers, and leg kicks hurt a hell of a lot, but a kick is a lot harder to KO someone than a punch simply because in a random environment, a punch is a lot easier to do.

For example on a bus, in a restaurant etc... there are obstacles like seats, poles, chairs, pillars in the way.

[I Love Jesus!]

You do realize there is no proof that this even occurred right?

and if it did, who cares.

I'm not an "MMA fanboy", Boxing till i die but if people want to belive that Boxers>UFC fighters in the street then they are dillusional

Can't doo much boxing off your back.

Can't do much ju jit su after getting KTFO either......

[killamoneymike]

Like I said, this whole who would win a street fight thing is nonsense. Some MMA fighters can beat boxers in a street fight and vice versa. When its all said and done, boxing is the much harder craft to master then MMA. Its the more refined and technical sport, the sport with more class, and it takes a lot more heart, will and determination to be a boxer then it is to be an MMA fighter.

And are you really gonna say it has more class? I'll admit the whole UFC theme on ****e was kinda doushy, but it is on the right track ever switching to FX and FOX.

Boxing USED to have class and may have been doing good for itself lately but there is still plenty of controversy, all of the world in many orginizations. Dont get me started. You got guys like Adrien Broner running around. That should be enough said...

And you dont know what kind of heart/determination it takes to be an MMA fighter. You try fighting with those 4 oz gloves, those guys are risking being knocked out at about a 75% higher rate than boxers when they step into the cage, you tell me theres no heart in that.

But this is not MMA>boxing or boxing>MMA I like them both about equal I just have to argue certain points that I think do not apply.

[Los Zetas]

MMA guys generally have weaker chins? Do you consider that cause you see them getting knocked out more. Did anyone tell you that they were using 4 oz gloves?

There are crafts of MMA that can be just as hard to master as boxing and its ironic cause boxing is actually one of the crafts of MMA. lol. But there are so many different forms of fighting into one. Its crazy.

You dont have to be a better puncher to win a street fight. You can indeed take a man down and hold him there on concrete I know it is harder, but on the other hand it hurts them A LOT more.

Look at a guys like Rampage Jackson or Cain Velasquez' wrestling and tell me you wouldnt be scared to fight them in a streetfight (concrete floor) knowing the way they have been known to ruthlessly slam people.

Look at a guy like Anthony Pettis who can stand up with you and knows footwork. If you are a pro boxer you probably have the hand advantage. But man you better watch for his kicks, before you catch a shin to the head and wake up with an 18 stitch-requiring gash on your forehead.

Its not as black and white as you put it.

I would definitely say Boxers have tougher chins. Boxers get hit on the head more than 70% of the time in most fights. They need to have a solid chin from the amateurs to pro's and it is funnelled. If you have a weak chin, then you can get away with it but there are always punchers in a division that will get you.

In a boxing match, there are 36 minutes at world level to get hit. It may be 8 or 10 ounce gloves, but a lot more punches are landed.

If you were to say MMA guys have more strength in legs, core or whatever, I would agree. However their living is not purely to get hit in the face. It is mixed.

Cain and Valasquez are beasts, but they still would get hurt by a pro boxer if he lands flush. Cain was hurt by Dos santos, injury or not, that alone tells you he can be hurt by punches.

[I Love Jesus!]

Easiest way to end a fight is by a punch to the head. Is the safest way also. To choke someone is not easy and the power a pro boxer generates with no gloves isn't a joke.



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Yeah man know a few pros with many losses that can still generate enough power on a single shot to put anybody out.

[Los Zetas]

And are you really gonna say it has more class? I'll admit the whole UFC theme on ****e was kinda doushy, but it is on the right track ever switching to FX and FOX.

Boxing USED to have class and may have been doing good for itself lately but there is still plenty of controversy, all of the world in many orginizations. Dont get me started. You got guys like Adrien Broner running around. That should be enough said...

And you dont know what kind of heart/determination it takes to be an MMA fighter. You try fighting with those 4 oz gloves, those guys are risking being knocked out at about a 75% higher rate than boxers when they step into the cage, you tell me theres no heart in that.

But this is not MMA>boxing or boxing>MMA I like them both about equal I just have to argue certain points that I think do not apply.

You have Horse meat eaters like Overeem who cheat, to Diaz who openly smokes weed twice.

However there are far more douche UFC fans. They don't even know Pride, or Strikeforce. They are sheeps. Then there are the ex WWE fans who are pure trash knuckle heads.

As for 4 ounce gloves, getting knocked out is a lot easier than taking a beating for 12 rounds. That is when your heart is questioned when your face is all cut up and swollen.

UFC has plenty of dodgy decisions, but also is all ****ed up. Brock Lesnar went to a title shot? Chael to face Jone Bones?

Diaz VS GSP? Meh Silva VS GSP is what the fans have been calling for.

Dana will make anything to sell a fight and make money too.