In your opinion, is Golden Boy Promotions the best promotional firm out there?

[Yoan]

David Haye

[sicko]

No doubt GBP got a phenomenal roster but with them not everybody is going to get the push they feel they deserve

Like for example: at 140 Lucas Matthysse will likely never get the push that Danny Garcia and Amir Khan gets...my problem with GBP is that Oscar have his Chosen Fighters who he wants to be Stars already so he could careless about the others...only reason why they are now on the Garcia bandwagon is because he knocked out Khan then beat Morales twice

Another example James Kirkland, Erislandy Lara will always be held back so that Canelo can remain GBP Top Fighter at 154

So while the Roster is phenomenal...GBP has yet to make their own Megastar or PPV Draw yet...still think Arum is better at making Cross Over Superstars...he made Oscar one and Pacquiao while GBP still have yet to produce one

Please don't buy the BS that GBP is any different then Top Rank...they are all the ***in same, Greedy and could careless what the fans think or want

[NEETzsche]

yep. best roster and best match-makers.

[-Huey-]

only reason why Floyd is with GBP is cause he has no fear of anyone in GBP's stable. basically Floyd is gonna clean out their stable from 140-147.

the only reason Cotto went with GBP is to get a fight with Floyd.

the reason Floyd dropped Fiddy was cause Fiddy kept trying to make the Pac fight when Floyd don't really want anything to do with that fight

Whatever you say, Robert Arum.

[The Big Dunn]

Please vote in the poll and discuss.

When you do, please consider some factors into your vote:

- Roster/Talent (does GBP have the deepest roster out there)
- Fights made (Does GBP put on the best match ups?)
- Quality of cards (as a whole, does GBP put on solid cards)
- Money (Are they getting **** for their buck? Does GBP overpay its fighters and not get good results?)

Interested to see what the response to this is on here since Schaefer and De La Hoya have boasted that losing HBO doesn't matter since they have "the best talent" and put on the "best fights" etc

edit: I thought about putting an option for "no, Top Rank is" but I decided I wanted to get a better feel for it as a yes or no. Feel free to discuss your view on which firm is in the comments.

Thanks.

GBP is very overrated. As of now they make stars bigger, they don't build fighters. Mares, Broner, Canelo still have to prove they can succeed on the big stage. Ortiz, Berto both crapped big time.

Its easy to be successful when you have fights with floyd and ODH. But a great promotional company does two things well IMO-matchmaking and making the opponent look like a major threat.

I may despise Bob but TR is way ahead of GBP when it comes to the nuts and bolts of promoting and building fighters. The ESPN deal was an overlooked move as well.

[-PBP-]

I think Top Rank is better at building stars but part of that is because they've been in the game longer.

[The Ninth Layer]

Thank you for your detailed reply.

What promotional company DOES NOT do this? LOL GB like TR wants to make the best financial fights. This idea that they don't makes no sense to me, they want to build up a fighter and then cash him out in a big payday, that's the way ALL promotional companies work.

Top Rank prospects get sent into tougher fights to establish themselves. When Golden Boy fighters end up in tough fights it is usually not by intention. Marcos Maidana was not supposed to upset Victor Ortiz, he was not expected even to touch their Golden Boy. He was a nobody from Argentina that Golden Boy looked past and they got burned for it.

So wait a minute, on one hand you say they cherry pick and now you are saying they matched them up wrong with tough fighters...which is it? Every promotional company looks ahead, if you don't you're a bad business person. You want to see into the future, set the big fights up. Are upsets going to happen? Of course it's boxing.

It's both. They are not good at matchmaking. Don't think for one second that anybody at Golden Boy thought Dmitry Pirog would be a tough fight for Danny Jacobs. Not for one second did they think that Josecito Lopez would be a tough fight for Victor Ortiz. Danny Garicia was a huge underdog against Khan, when he beat Amir Khan it was seen as a surprising upset.

Golden Boy did not promote these opponents, they selected them out of nowhere and assumed they were nobody chumps, with the exception of Garcia but they had already expected Morales to beat him so that's how much they thought of him.

None of those fighters you mentioned were "sidelined" by GB, they were viable on the big stage except for Lara. Lara is not an exciting fighter, Mathesse lost but also was a fighter that wasn't getting fights because of his punching power and Kirkland backed out of two fights because of injury. Let's remember Kirkland was set to fight Canelo and fought Angulo. So I don't know where you are getting the idea they don't make tough fights.

I don't know what else you can call it when Matthysse lost to not just one, but TWO fighters that were not GBP and nobody but the fans had anything to say about him getting robbed by Judah and Alexander (and he WON both of those fights no matter what the judges say). Golden Boy didn't give a **** about Matthysse for the longest time until they recognized he's not just a ****er but a skilled fighter too. Kirkland was set to fight Canelo in... September of last year? What happened to him? The Angulo fight was over a year ago. I know Angulo has been in the ring recently looking fierce, but again what happened to him?

Brandon Rios wasn't a star until he made himself a star, they didn't know what they had in him until he beat Acosta and Peterson. Donaire didn't have all big fights, he fought Narvaez which was a joke of a fight and then they put him in against a shot, old Arce. Pac fought who was there at the weight, he had no choice to fight those guys because that's where the division was.

Brandon Rios made himself a star because he was matched in tough fights and had to fight through them to win. It's how Top Rank built his reputation. Donaire has not always had the most crowd-pleasing fights but you're sleeping on his opponents including Narvaez if you think those guys are walkovers compared to the other fighters in their division. Arce was a fight for Donaire to look good because he'd just come out of a tough fight that people had booed. With Manny Pacquiao why not admit he took some tough fights? Yes he fought the guys available to him but that didn't make them easy opponents. Judge a man on what he has done instead of what he could have if the opportunity were different.

They don't do anything different than TR, they are all the same with the same bottom line, MAKE MONEY.

It was Arum that held back the biggest fight of the decade in Pac vs Floyd and it's funny the way you seem to forgive and forget that.

Both sides are responsible for that fight not happening. If you think otherwise you are deluding yourself. Neither side wanted to fight each other because as you said, they're both interested in making money and they can both make lots of money not fighting each other. Simply put neither of us knows the business end of things, we only know what happened on the PR end.