Proof that Bradley was not knocked down in the 1st:

[Mike Haynes]

Just because Timmy was hurt doesn't make it a KD.....P'kov was too anxious - he should have stepped back and kept punching instead of leaning on Timmy.....that's his fault.

I'd have more respect for you dudes if you were arguing about Timmy falling into the ropes and the ropes holding him up. Some refs call that a KD.

You dudes are just frustrated....get your lives right.

[BafanaBafana]

There's no way this was a KD.

After the punch was thrown:



Yes, it hurt Bradley, but he is clearly leaning on him.
He did not throw another punch.



He's still leaning on him as Bradley goes down.

Not saying Bradley wasn't hurt, but there was no immediate punch thrown before he fell.

It looked to me that he was hurt from the punch as subsequently his legs gave out and he fell into Provodnikov, his legs would not have turned to jelly if not for the punch.

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just because timmy was hurt doesn't make it a kd.....p'kov was too anxious - he should have stepped back and kept punching instead of leaning on timmy.....that's his fault.

I'd have more respect for you dudes if you were arguing about timmy falling into the ropes and the ropes holding him up. Some refs call that a kd.

you dudes are just frustrated....get your lives right.

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"Bradley eats a big right hand and immediately starts dipping low to avoid follow-up shots -- A left hook catches his jaw and he begins to dip low to avoid follow-up shots again, just as before -- Bradley starts to come up after dipping low and Provodnikov uses his bodyweight to push Bradley down -- NO KNOCKDOWN"



fools can stop faking now.

Sorry brah....I got no dog in this fight.....but I knows a KD when I sees a KD....and that you just showed me my good sir....is a KNOCKDOWN.....just sayin........

[-Kev-]

Sorry brah....I got no dog in this fight.....but I knows a KD when I sees a KD....and that you just showed me my good sir....is a KNOCKDOWN.....just sayin........

Apparently not.

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There is no need to bad mouth Ruslan, he fought just as hard as Tim did.

i was satirizing the NSB hipster cliques, cuzzo, don't go emo on me.

Then it's ref's job to evaluate quickly what brought him down, and whether it's safe for him continue.

which is exactly what he did.

he was well sighted, being that he was stood right next to the fighters and staring hard at the action. he saw Bradley being leaned on and pushed to his knees. then, after Bradley took two attempts to regain his feet, he asked him if he was 'alright' (meaning, okay to continue) and Bradley responded affirmatively by walking forward.

Fortunately there was barely any time left (is that a factor?)

a factor in what? the official correctly perceiving that Bradley was pushed down?

you seem determined to cloud the issue.

and Bradley is uncommonly tough, as he showed throughout the fight. Still most refs will not bank on a fighters toughness if he can't stand straight.

the official wasn't banking on anything except the fact that Provodnikov pushed Bradley down.

you think he should've stopped the fight because Bradley fell when getting up, even though he hadn't ruled it a knockdown?

he told Bradley to get up so that the action could continue, then, when Tim regained his feet (albeit unsteadily), he asked him if he was alright and Bradley gave affirmative response by walking forward.

so you're telling me he kissed the canvass intentionally?

hi there, Pacquiao fan from Baguio. i'm telling you he was pushed down.

Of course it was a KD. He was also trying to emulate Judah.

Pure KD, not even going to argue it. He was badly hurt and fell over twice! That is not a coincidence.

I like how you cut the video short right before timothy started doing his moonwalk and chicken dance all over the ring

Clearly a knockdown, why don't you make a video of Bradley stumbling around the ring doing the chicken dance after he tried getting up..

He was on ***** street, couldn't get up and literally rolled backwards, then stumbled to his feet, and the first thing he did was move to hold again.

looks like we have some more simple-minded clowns on the block (led by avowed Bradley-hater, Ray Corey).

Bradley being hurt isn't the point. nobody's saying he wasn't hurt or didn't fall when he went to regain his legs. fact remains, his legs were holding him up until he was leaned on and pushed down.

the footage in the video is the footage that is relevant to the alleged knockdown. that footage shows he was pushed down. a different angle (the real-time HBO footage showing the action from behind Provodnikov) shows that Provodnikov leaned down on Bradley with his left elbow/forearm more heavily than he did with his right forearm.

again,

have you ever been hurt at all? you can conceivably keep your feet and continue an activity even while on weak legs. if someone pushes you down when you are in that state, you will stumble when you go to stand, especially if you get up as quickly as Tim did.

that his legs were weak from having eaten a couple big punches does not necessarily support that he was knocked down.

This was exactly what I saw after watching the fight, the short left hook was the shot that "Knocked him over" after that shot he was "helped" down by Ruslan even though Timmy was trying to hold on to him, I have seen boxers land a punch then "Help" their victim over and the referee still count it as a KD, Hopkins KO Tito that way, Lennox Lewis KO Tyson that way..

those guys were on the way down. straight down. Tim was on his way up. he had dipped low to avoid a right and was in the process of returning his upper-body to an upright position when his movement was interrupted. he wasn't attempting to clinch at that moment, but whether or not he would've attempted to clinch had he not been pushed down is irrelevant.

It was so obviously a knockdown, why try to put together a badly edited video which doesn't even show him going down and his reaction after the knockdown.. the lengths some people go to in order to hide the truth is crazy.

the video shows him going down, you dumb *****. that's the only part that is relevant. the stumbling is not relevant.

we know Bradley was hurt. that has never once been contested.

Looking at everything after the fact, yea that was a knockdown, he was visibly hurt and his legs were gone. He was hurt most the fight, especially after the sixth.

the blue somewhat invalidates the red type. he was hurt in the 2nd, 6th and 11th, yet didn't go down. he was hurt in the 1st, but he was sent down by push/lean-on.

I'd favor a KD ruling, it was obvious that overhand right took his legs, Tim didn't throw a single punch after that sequence, he tried to grab and hold but when Ruslan didn't let him lean, Tim collapsed.

here's a more accurate version:

overhand right weakened his legs. he didn't try to hold immediately, he began to dip and roll his upper-body to avoid shots, ducked under a left hook, took a right to the body as he was dipped low and then he came back up and held with his right arm - Provodnikov pulled his arm out of the half-clinch and threw a left hook, which Bradley had already started to roll his head away from when the shot swipes by his chin (questionable contact), Bradley dips low to avoid the follow-up right hand of Provodnikov and is on his way back up when his head meets with Provodnikov's waistband and Provodnikov leans down on him - Provodnikov already had his elbows positioned to lean down on Bradley even before Tim's head made contact with his waistband.

Bradley was hurt badly enough in the first round for it to be 10-8 Provodnikov, if the ref had properly called a knockdown. The ref told Bradley to get up, yet he was so hurt, that he fell backward while trying to do so. At that time, the ref yelled at Bradley to get up!

which strongly suggests that the referee saw him being pushed down. why else would he yell at Bradley to get up so that the fighting could resume?

since when does an official yell at a man who has been legitimately knocked down? the only thing you're supposed to yell is, "three!! four!! five!! six!!..."

you dig?

As Bradley sat on his stool, the ref came over and had a look at him because he knew he had been hurt.

this may be true. but it is also completely irrelevant.

Sure, Provodnikov gave Bradley a little push, but only after hurting him badly w/ punches!

oh, so that's alright then. if you hurt a guy and he's on his way back up from ducking low to avoid other shots, you can help him on his way with a little push. gotcha.

Lennox Lewis gave Mike Tyson a bigger push when he refused to fall after being hurt badly, and it was ruled a knockdown (Of course we know Tyson said screw it and stayed down, but you get my point).

no, sir, i do not. that's a poor example. as soon as the right hand landed, Tyson was going one way. he wasn't coming back up. he was going down. his whole body slumped forward. it didn't roll, it didn't dip, it didn't duck. it slumped.

Bradley took evasive action to avoid a follow-up right hand. dipped his upperbody in a rolling, circular motion consistent with the defensive technique he always employs at that range. on his way back up, he was helped back down, and not by a punch.

Provodnikov brought it hard. Bradley has heart, and refused to fall, but his time is coming. Bradley can't punch, and eventually he will run into someone else who can and will finish him, if he fights more than once a year! I just don't think he is a true champion- He only "beat" one champion; a faded Pacquiao who didn't lose, but just didn't win as we're used to seeing him win.

who asked for your tenth-rate opinion on Bradley as a fighter?

of course he did. 3 seconds earlier his legs are steady. he takes a punch, legs give out. you look at his attempt to stand up, fighters have been stopped for less, for their own safety.

his legs didn't give out when he took the punch. while his legs were weakened by the punch (when has anyone denied this, btw?), they only gave out when he was pushed down as he was on his way up from ducking a right hand. fact.

He definitely went down because of the punch, it's not like he tripped or got tangled up, his legs were gone, he tried to grab to stay upright but without Ruslan to lean onto, he went down.

oh yeah, he definitely went down from the punch, it's not like he was on his way up from ducking low when Ruslan leaned onto him and pushed him down.

It looked to me that he was hurt from the punch as subsequently his legs gave out and he fell into Provodnikov, his legs would not have turned to jelly if not for the punch.

again, not one person has denied that he was hurt. but he was hurt by punches in 2, 6 and 11 and didn't go down. that he was hurt does not justify calling a knockdown if he was, in fact, pushed down.

Sorry brah....I got no dog in this fight.....but I knows a KD when I sees a KD....and that you just showed me my good sir....is a KNOCKDOWN.....just sayin........

what this guy said,

Apparently not.

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props,

big overhand right shook Bradley, he began to dip and roll his upper-body to avoid shots, ducked under a left hook, took a right to the body as he was dipped low and then came back up and held with his right arm - Provodnikov pulled his arm out of the half-clinch and threw a left hook, which Bradley had already started to roll his head away from when the shot swipes by his chin (questionable contact) - Bradley dips low to avoid the follow-up right hand of Provodnikov and is on his way back up when his head meets with Provodnikov's waistband and Provodnikov leans down on him - Provodnikov already had his elbows positioned to lean down on Bradley even before Tim's head made contact with his waistband.

THats clear to see that was not a knockdown!!

No it isn't clear as clear as day. If I punch someone in the face and they're out of their feet, then I push them over they're going to have a hard time standing up. The fact that they have a difficult time standing up would knock act as proof that my punch caused the knockdown.

I don't really have a problem with the referees decision.

clear evidence and people still cant accept that ruslan's push had to be called by the ref....thats just called ignoring facts.....bradley was hurt as hell, but he was pushed and that forced the ref to call the infraction....then these guys post a 2 frames per second gif and try to say the push didnt happen...

That's exactly what it looked like at first glance like he got caught hard and was trying to avoid another one. People just wanna argue the fact that he was hurt so regardless of wether or not he got pushed it doesn't matter count the kd. Somebody should've told maidana that he could've just leg swept khan. And got credited a kd.

He was clearly helped down the the help of Ruslans forearm.

Its really clear as day, and it happens in lots of fights, and now just because Bradley was hurt, its a knockdown.

Bradley being hurt is irrelevant. He was pushed down. It doesn't matter if he would have gone done from the next punch, or not, or if he would have gone down on his own. He was pushed down.

He clearly slips 2 shots.

Because he was obviously so much more hurt than all the other times he stumbled around the ring but didn't go down.... right?

Its possible to be on ***** street, to be out on your feet, AND STILL GET PUSHED DOWN.

I dont think anyone would be ******ed enough to think Bradley was knocked down in the first round,that didn't happen.

could go either way but i don't think it was a kd

I dont think it was a KD for the reason that -
If a fighter is hurt by a punch then afew seconds later he is thrown/pushed to the canvas, he is hurt whilst on the floor and struggles to get up but that doesnt mean that the throw/push qualifies as a knockdown.
No doubt Timmy didnt have his legs under him but at no point was a punch landed in that 1st round which knocked him down.
10-9 Provodnikov was a fair score for teh 1st round IMO.

Its very simple. The punch did not put him down so it wasn't a knock down. Were his legs gone? Absolutely. Then Ruslan leaned on him and his legs didn't have the strength to support himself. Then he went down, tried to get up to quick and fell over again. Was not a KD and anyone who thinks so after seeing clear footage is obviously biased.

So wait, if I see that a fighter's legs aren't under him, I can simply push him down and that can be called a K.D? Please explain cause I'm not understanding this. A K.D is when someone goes down as a result of a punch, jus' because he did a little chicken dance and rolled over like a puppy does not make it a K.D.

This on 2nd viewing was NOT a knockdown.

It doesn't matter if Bradley was hurt when he went down... he didn't go down because of a punch.

There's no way this was a KD.

After the punch was thrown:



Yes, it hurt Bradley, but he is clearly leaning on him.
He did not throw another punch.



He's still leaning on him as Bradley goes down.

Not saying Bradley wasn't hurt, but there was no immediate punch thrown before he fell.

Just because Timmy was hurt doesn't make it a KD.....P'kov was too anxious - he should have stepped back and kept punching instead of leaning on Timmy.....that's his fault.

I'd have more respect for you dudes if you were arguing about Timmy falling into the ropes and the ropes holding him up. Some refs call that a KD.

You dudes are just frustrated....get your lives right.

Apparently not.

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It looked to me that he was hurt from the punch as subsequently his legs gave out and he fell into Provodnikov, his legs would not have turned to jelly if not for the punch.

to argue that Tim was falling into Ruslan is about the best case one could make for calling a knockdown.

but Tim's upper-body was on its way back to an upright position, from having ducked under a wide right hand, when his movement was arrested by Provodnikov and he was pushed back down.

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[Bossy]

It's like bowling, with idiots.


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