[Grantland] Will Boxing Ever Forgive Tim Bradley?

[Pretty Boy Swag]

Let me make it clear and simple. The majority of people thought Pac won the fight between Bradley. The public, boxers, experts, unofficial certified judges, aliens, dogs, your mom the majority of them thought Pac won.

No point of nit picking on how many percent of people Bradley won over. Whatever the exact number is it is very minimal to Pac's percent of people he won over.

[Phenom]

still laugh at Lampley fight night breakdown that fight was closer then people make it out to be to many rounds where neither guy really won it Abril got jobbed worse vs Rios and people still don't care

[HeroBando]

not actually true. take a big sample of opinion from hardcore fans and Bradley can do considerably better than 1% of the vote, from what i've seen on forums.

if you're talking about a general public vote, how else would you expect Joe Blow to vote? they've been told it was a robbery and Pac won. HBO, ESPN and Yahoo all said so.

On press row he got less than 1%:

Among the experts above, 121 scored the bout for Pacquiao, 1 scored the bout a draw, and 1 scored the bout for Bradley.

Average score 117-111. In fact there were more 11-1 for Pac, than 7-5 Pac + draw + Bradley combined. It really doesn't get much more one sided.

And you can't complain about the writers bias, and then try quoting message board numbers for support. I mean almost everyone is comes to boxing forums to push an agenda.

[thuggery]

On press row he got less than 1%:



Average score 117-111. In fact there were more 11-1 for Pac, than 7-5 Pac + draw + Bradley combined. It really doesn't get much more one sided.

And you can't complain about the writers bias, and then try quoting message board numbers for support. I mean almost everyone is comes to boxing forums to push an agenda.

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[Pretty Boy Swag]

Done and done. If you thought Bradley won the fight that is completely fine and your entitled to your own opinion, but do us a favor and just keep it to yourself.

Because for the majority(90%+) of us that thought Pac won the fight think is freaking ridiculous arguing about something so ******.

[Mr. Philadel]

Holding a grudge against Bradley for something judges/possibly Arum are responsible for is not only ridiculous, it's insane. It makes zero sense. What exactly did Tim Bradley do to get blamed for Pac getting robbed?

this^^^^^^^^^not even Einstein can answer that question correctly!!!

[The Tase]

smdh at people calling pac v marquez 3 a robbery.

How do you get robbed if you get out thrown and out landed by the sitting and more popular champion?

[Bushbaby]

smdh at people calling pac v marquez 3 a robbery.

How do you get robbed if you get out thrown and out landed by the sitting and more popular champion?

When compubox is considered a fact??

[Rome-By-Ko]

Done and done. If you thought Bradley won the fight that is completely fine and your entitled to your own opinion, but do us a favor and just keep it to yourself.

Because for the majority(90%+) of us that thought Pac won the fight think is freaking ridiculous arguing about something so ******.

Actually you'll always get an argument about this fight..Because it was a close fight that most knowledgeable fans will say was close(weather they felt Pac won or not),while most casual fans will say oh it was a blowout..

Let's also look at the guys ringside scoring the fight..Most came back and said it was closer then I thought..Even tho they still seen a win for Pac..At the end of the day I can care less what anyone thinks..Your mom the dog the fans whoever..I score fights for myself,I seen a win for Bradley..I feel it's completely ****** to be arguing something so ****** as well..Esp because it's Bradley who holds a win over Pac..N ot the other way around..

[S. Saddler 1310]

i wanted to extract this point first, because i found it the most (inadvertently) telling.

Average score 117-111. In fact there were more 11-1 for Pac, than 7-5 Pac + draw + Bradley combined. It really doesn't get much more one sided.

it's interesting how you note that the majority of press-row had the fight 11-1 as if that supports press-row. i'd say it discredits press-row.

further to that, Rome made this excellent point here,

Must've not have been watching the fight either to score it 10-2..Which a lot of them did..

And you can't complain about the writers bias, and then try quoting message board numbers for support. I mean almost everyone is comes to boxing forums to push an agenda.

our learned friend Pretty Boy Swag is the fellow who brought up numbers to support his view ("and the people that believe Bradley won the fight are only at 1%"), while i merely responded that i doubted that Bradley's share in the vote would be so small. i don't know if the Swagster is here to push an agenda, you'd have to ask him.

but seeing as the subject of numbers has been raised, i shall address that in my next passage.

I was just exaggerating Bradley can prob do 5-9% no more than 10% and 90%+ is for Pac.

Your part of the 5-9% which is fine... I don't think your dumb, because that's your opinion. I disagree with the majority sometimes as well.

before i proceed, allow me to state first that i certainly do not think you are dumb if you scored the fight for Pacquiao (i might question a lopsided card).

i reckon Bradley could do better than 10%, but you know what? the most relevant stat to pull out wouldn't be the portion of the hypothetical opinion poll that scored the fight for Tim, but rather the portion that felt it was a close fight which could conceivably have been scored either way. that portion might be bigger than you'd expect, especially since some observers revised their scores upon rewatching the fight.

However, when 90%+ of people thought Pac won the fight that's called a robbery.

allow me to restate my thoughts on consensus. i was referring to press-row consensus at the time, but my comment applies generally, too.

the consensus sometimes happens to be reflective of the truth, but sometimes it's misled - on which side the consensus falls is a matter of compounded circumstantial factors.

the bolded text explains my reasoning as to why i don't think we can infer reliability from the consensus, regardless of how widely it may be skewed in favour of a conclusion.

i make it a personal rule to never make the consensus my chief method of supporting my argument. i may mention it as back-up to a more exhaustive analysis (and even then i shouldn't). i do think it's weak reasoning for one to state their opinion of who won a fight and then refer to the consensus as chief support of that opinion, as many so lazily do.

As far as ringside it was literally 99% to 1% or something very close to that.

On press row he got less than 1%:

i already spoke my piece on press-row a few pages back. i believe at least one of you fellows read it, but just in case it was missed, http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...8&postcount=28

And these dudes were sitting there live, best seats available and not listening to the HBO broadcasters.

Of course you always have the Floyd fans that will say without a doubt that Bradley clearly won.

from a guy who's been ringside enough times, there is no perfect seat in the house. watching on HBO is as good as watching from CJ Ross' position.

i don't know how Floyd managed to get into this convo, but i don't recall many people saying Bradley dominated and should have had a wide UD, Floyd fans or not.