[Grantland] Will Boxing Ever Forgive Tim Bradley?

[Prince_Pugilist]

Your post started off good, then ya time lines got mix up..Then you missed overall big picture altogether..

My timelines are mixed up at all. May be I didn't quite explain it as well. 2009/10 Khan v Bradley was the biggest fight at 140 and the argument carried over into 2011, with Khan's win over Judah making the fight even bigger. But Bradley was simply ducking and diving for too long.

Not sure what you mean by me missing the bigger picture.

[John Barron]

it shows that he wasn't very confident that he deserved the win...i just don't see how bradley won this fight either. I mean i'm watching it right now and I'm still ending up with the same scorecard i had the other 3 times i watched the fight.

the idea that as time goes by people will start believing that bradley won is idiotic...i just don't see the logic behind this. nothing will change the fact that bradley got a gift.

tim was injured and i'm sure he didn't feel 100% but he did his best to stay in the fight. all that and considering how close the judge's scorecards were, it's perfectly understandable that he said that. to me, pacquiao saying "be a filipino, i won" in a fight many people felt he clearly got a gift was more offensive.

i've watched the replay twice now since the fight and i have it 7 rounds to 5 for pacquiao both times.

[S. Saddler 1310]

it shows that he wasn't very confident that he deserved the win...

to be fair, he was placed on the spot and questioned in a very skewed, passive-aggressive and condescending manner. it would have been apropos, in a controversial situation, to question him in a challenging but even-handed manner, to ask whether he believed he won the fight - instead, he was more or less told he had been badly outclassed and had no right to the belt that he was now carrying. they didn't even let him have his own interview, but instead edged Pacquiao into the shot to let Tim know he was there, to let him know that he would not be allowed to have this moment, that he had committed a crime - the imputations were all too clear.

to put it in perspective, Paul Williams, even while being questioned as to whether he felt he had deserved a decision in his favour, was treated with much more respect after his loss to Lara.

Bradley was treated disgracefully. i wish he had responded more defiantly on the spot, but Tim isn't that guy. his disposition is open-hearted and magnanimous and he gave the response that he thought was appropriate in that situation, ie. being faced with harsh questioning re. the integrity of his win straight after having emerged from a tough battle.


EDIT: Bradley did celebrate at the final bell and was told by his corner that he was one round from victory prior to the 12th, so it's not at all unthinkable that he believed he'd won the fight until that subtly hostile post-fight interview situation descended upon him.

[John Barron]

I'm not talking about fight night. I'm talking about AFTER. He was acting like a douchebag.


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pacquiao wasn't shy of dissing marquez after being gifted and his ******ed fans hollered marquez to **** off he's a crybaby. i don't see what tim is doing differently. he's practically spitting it right back at their faces.

this article is elaborately long and i don't know or care what it's trying to get at. bradley stunted his career by signing with bob arum, i'll leave it at that.

[Rome-By-Ko]

My timelines are mixed up at all. May be I didn't quite explain it as well. 2009/10 Khan v Bradley was the biggest fight at 140 and the argument carried over into 2011, with Khan's win over Judah making the fight even bigger. But Bradley was simply ducking and diving for too long.

Not sure what you mean by me missing the bigger picture.

Bradley was down for a fight with Khan in 2009-2010..It was Khan who wanted to fight Maidana(in 2010)and then Khan fighting Mccloskey(in2011)that ended that fight to an extent..Bradley fought Alexander in 2011,had a better offer then the Khan offer from TR..Then went for his and signed on to TR which canceled any chance of a Khan fight happening..

See ya time line is off and the manner in which your breaking this situation down is off as well..Your trying to call Bradley a duck for not fighting Khan right..But it was Khan who said,I'd fight Maidana Bradley and Alexander could fight..Then the winners can fight each other..Where did Mccloskey come in??That fight happen in 2011,but that fight should have been the Bradley fight..But it was not because Khan wanted to sure up his contract before fighting Bradley..Which in turn lead to Bradley taking a better deal with TR..One that Khan and GBP could not counter(or did not feel it was worth it to counter)..See from your story,ya only telling one side of it..Khans!!!

Khan could have fought Bradley instead of Maidana,hell Maidana could have fought Bradley instead of Khan(had a contract signed and everything)but both thought better of it..

The big picture is that Bradley is very accomplished yet get's hated on and talked about as if he's some second rate bum by many on this forum and in the media..Bradley unified against Holt,many started to say he's not good that Alexander would beat him etc etc..He beats Alexander..The it was he's boring he sucks and so does Alexander(although Alexander is yet to be defeated again)..He fights Abregu,a hard puncher at his own weight..What do you hear,Bradley sucks,his fight against Abregu was not impressive blah blah blah..Yet I did not even give Abregu a rd,he was dominated..Outside of Bradley punching his head into the 3rd row,Bradley looked ready for prime time..He signs to TR fights Casa(I'll admit hated this fight),people give him hell,he may have deserved this..Signs to fight Pac,all you heard from most was..Pac is going to knock Bradley out..Bradley not in Pac's class,Bradley is nothing more then a black Ricky Hatton,on and on and on..

Bradley beats Pac,the same fans cry out robbery..Not because there actually was one..But because a fighter who they don't like for whatever reason got the nod..At the end of the day,Bradley is(imo)an elite fighter who I can't see many beat..I don't care if someone says they don't like him or whatever..But a guy like ya self talking like you like him,only to turn around and throw subliminal jabs at Bradley is unacceptable imo..Bradley has done nothing wrong with his choices..TR,was a better deal then the one Khan offered..Bradley has a win over Pac and is being paid very well to fight Prov tonight..He also turned down 2.3 mill to not cheat the fans with a fight we've seen already..But guys like you won't see this,your still a yr late and holding on to the fact Timmy took a better deal with TR and not Khan...

[BrokenHat]

Forgive implies he could potentially be embraced by the public again, but there's nothing to forgive, or to change, no one has ever cared about him, just like they don't care about him now.

He's boring, headbutts far too much, and ugly as hell, in looks and in how he fights. Bradley will remain mired in obscurity.

[HeroBando]

i wanted to extract this point first, because i found it the most (inadvertently) telling.

it's interesting how you note that the majority of press-row had the fight 11-1 as if that supports press-row. i'd say it discredits press-row.

Where do I do that? You totally misread that, 11-1 was a fringe minority score. My point was, anything closer that 8-4 was just as fringe, or more. As I said above, 9-3 is the mean score, probably rounded down

i already spoke my piece on press-row a few pages back. i believe at least one of you fellows read it, but just in case it was missed, http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...8&postcount=28

I already answered that, scroll back, not impressed. But I'm even less impressed those sweeping generalities and black helicopters now that it's obvious you didn't even bother opening the link. You'd find that each score has a name attached to it, and many of these guys are familiar names with zero history of ridiculous scoring for the favorite (or Pac, or whoever). For example, you'd find Jeff Mayweather scored it 10-2. Was he riding the same bias as Barry Tompkins, and old and current Ring editors?

[MJ223]

Good read.......

[HeroBando]

to be fair, he was placed on the spot and questioned in a very skewed, passive-aggressive and condescending manner. it would have been apropos, in a controversial situation, to question him in a challenging but even-handed manner, to ask whether he believed he won the fight - instead, he was more or less told he had been badly outclassed and had no right to the belt that he was now carrying. they didn't even let him have his own interview, but instead edged Pacquiao into the shot to let Tim know he was there, to let him know that he would not be allowed to have this moment, that he had committed a crime - the imputations were all too clear.

to put it in perspective, Paul Williams, even while being questioned as to whether he felt he had deserved a decision in his favour, was treated with much more respect after his loss to Lara.

Bradley was treated disgracefully. i wish he had responded more defiantly on the spot, but Tim isn't that guy. his disposition is open-hearted and magnanimous and he gave the response that he thought was appropriate in that situation, ie. being faced with harsh questioning re. the integrity of his win straight after having emerged from a tough battle.


EDIT: Bradley did celebrate at the final bell and was told by his corner that he was one round from victory prior to the 12th, so it's not at all unthinkable that he believed he'd won the fight until that subtly hostile post-fight interview situation descended upon him.

Man so much crying. Makes you wonder if you've ever watched Merchant, Kellerman (or Jim Gray ) interview the winner after even a mild robbery.

[The Tase]

lol looks like boxing fans are still mad at bradley, he's getting booed in his own home state after the ruslan fight.