Tell me one single round which Hopkins CLEARLY won in the Cloud fight.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

You again? You sound like Larry making threads about other threads and ****. You couldn't post this in your other thread about the scorecards?


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[raskat]

You again? You sound like Larry making threads about other threads and ****. You couldn't post this in your other thread about the scorecards?


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Those who are not even able to post a certain round basically admit their scorecard is trash.

[Jloro]

You again? You sound like Larry making threads about other threads and ****. You couldn't post this in your other thread about the scorecards?


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lol but Larry is more entertaining than this scorecard ****

[pimpgoz]

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Originally Posted by pimpgoz

Rd 6 Hopkins made him look like a fool and that is the Rd where he cut him up with a PUNCH everyone could see that.

Rd 11 as well. Cloud did nothing

I already completely owned you about round 6, and now listen carefully: don't you ever dare come on a boxing forum and say you know boxing, cause you don't. You wanna tell me round 11 was the "2nd most dominant round of Hopkins"?? Are you KIDDING ME?? The round is razor close and apart from 20 seconds in the last minute in which Hopkins is throwing a few punches, Cloud is basically winning the round.
When I first watched the fight I gave the round to Hopkins with a little headache and marked it as "very close". Now that I rewatched it just 5 minutes ago, I thought it was a total even round and it was basically a drawish kind of round.
And you want to tell me that is Hopkins' most dominant or 2nd most dominant round??
YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF.

You are a moron. Not even Tavoris cloud felt like he even won the fight let alone earned a draw. He was beaten and he knew it and his corner told him. Get it right. Hopkins made cloud look foolish in rd 6 for 2:30 and cloud stepped on the gas during the last 30 seconds. You are one of the lone few who even scored this fight not in favor of hopkins. You need a vision and hearing test because your perception of the fight is way off. If anyone should never go back on a boxing forum its you because you are making a fuggin fool of yourself when you post **** like this.


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[Grimmer]

If there are 12 very close rounds, but one fighter edged a lot of those rounds, then the score will be wide. Sometimes a score doesn't reflect a schooling or domination, just that one fighter won more rounds than another regardless of how close the rounds were. I'd say a good case for this is Kessler v Froch 1, I thought a lot of rounds were close, but Kessler edged more, hence got a UD.

[Dustaine]

I scored Hopkins vs Tavoris Cloud a draw and some people told me Hopkins "totally dominated and destroyed" Cloud. Which is completely ridiculous.
And now I want to know: if a fighter destroys another fighter and dominates him with ease, then I am sure there must be a lot of ROUNDS which he dominated, right?
I mean, there must be quite some rounds in which Hopkins was beating Cloud all over the ring, Cloud hanging on for dear life, right?
So here is what I say to those who say Hopkins totally dominated the fight: TELL ME WHICH ROUND OF THE WHOLE FIGHT DID HOPKINS WIN MOST CLEARLY? WHICH ROUND IS IT THAT HOPKINS DOMINATED THE MOST?

Because I would like to know that, because in my opinion out of all the 12 rounds there is NOT A SINGLE ROUND which Hopkins "clearly dominated".
And then I am asking myself - if a fighter doesn't even win one single round in dominant fashion, then how the heck did he "dominate" the whole fight??

So just post that one round which Hopkins dominated the most.

Why so butthurt, honey?

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

TS, please stop watching boxing, go buy an affliction t-shirt and watch the UFC.

Now please go away.

[raskat]

Why so butthurt, honey?

so why didn't you post Hopkins' most dominant round, "honey"?

TS, please stop watching boxing, go buy an affliction t-shirt and watch the UFC.

Now please go away.

So where is Hopkins' most dominant round? Bottom line is everybody who posts in this thread without actually naming Hopkins' most dominant round is a complete troll.
Coming here trying to insult me because you know you are getting owned when it comes to the boxing discussion. Sad really.

Post a round or stay away from this thread.

[S. Saddler 1310]

ok, asskat, in response to your PM requesting i enter your thread:

you asked for detail and i'm about to flatten your dumb ass with it.

this response is far more detailed and obervant than anything you've offered by way of a breakdown, so, unless you're able to come at me with an equally detailed RBR analysis of the action in this fight with which to justify your score, you're done in this debate.


before i go on, just let me say there is a distinction between a technical domination and a guy being beaten around the ring to a pulp. when you're being out-techniqued, made to miss, outlanded in clean shots and having your every move dictated to you (aka. being on the wrong side of ring-generalship) and losing many rounds clearly because of this, you are being technically dominated.


now, the first two rounds were feeling-out rounds with little to seperate the guys. you could split the first two rounds evenly, 1-1, but i'm going to give Cloud a headstart and give him both. you heard me, i'm giving Cloud a 2-0 headstart.

Round 1: 10-9 Cloud

Round 2: 10-9 Cloud

so we pick up my RBR from the 3rd.

Round 3: 10-9 Hopkins (clear Hopkins round, he's dictating the the rhythm, pace and flow of the action, marshalling it with his jab which has now come out of mothballs)

Round 4: 10-9 Hopkins (Cloud has a couple sporadic moments, but Hopkins does more of the clean scoring work, makes Cloud miss, and is controlling the direction of the fight still)

Round 5: 10-9 Hopkins (Cloud lands a couple good right hands in the round and does his share of work in the clinches, but again Hopkins' jab is the more consistent, again he's controlling the ring, dictating when the exchanges happen and landing more of the clean scoring punches)

Round 6: 10-9 Hopkins (Hopkins very comfortable, moving and working his jab in spots, timing his moments to step in and throw combinations, cutting Cloud with a left hand in one of these moments, making Cloud either miss or glance a lot, especially with subtle movements off the ropes, Cloud offers a short burst of useful aggression toward the end of the round, digs into the body well, but Hopkins finishes it with the authoritative instigations)

Round 7: 10-9 Hopkins (clear Hopkins round, scoring jab and defense for Hopkins in the first 1:30, Cloud focusing on the body but Hopkins is catching a lot of that work on his arms, Cloud ups his aggression but is thwarted, unable to make much clear contact, while Hopkins registers clean connects with short little shots, Cloud becomes tentative again and is lulled into comparing jabs with Hopkins for most of the last 40 seconds until Hopkins closes the distance with a feint and a jab and lands a couple short chopping rights, at this point it's worth noting that Cloud is buying up feints like they're hot stock)

Round 8: 10-9 Hopkins (Hopkins lands a left hook right at the start of the round and sneaks in a bodyshot before blocking almost every punch in a Cloud rally save for a return bodyshot that gets in, Cloud is employing a more insistent, authoritative jab now though, Hopkins replying with his own sporadically but looking more passive, like he's taking time out to observe while Cloud takes the initiative, Cloud directs him to the ropes and Hopkins complies, but those small movements off the ropes are making Cloud miss as he tries to unload, Hopkins landing little counters in reply, notably a nice counter right uppercut, while Cloud can only land glancingly if at all, Hopkins absorbing bodyshots on his arms as they turn out into centre ring, action goes to the opposite ropes and Hopkins lands that counter right uppercut again while Cloud gets in a left to the body, Cloud backs Hopkins into a corner but it's Hopkins who lands his jab and pops Cloud's head up with a sharp left uppercut, action breaks and Cloud has a left hook blocked but follows up with a big right hand that lands well and draws a good crowd reaction, he clubs Hopkins with a left hook as Hopkins turns away, Hopkins responds with his own hard right hand though, now sliding along the ropes and making Cloud miss, instigating exchanges that yield no consequential blows from either man, Hopkins lands his jab near the end of the round making Cloud reach and miss badly with the attempted counter right over the top – closest round since the first two, by dint of the short spell of authority Cloud displayed behind his jab plus the big right he landed, but I can't score it for Cloud, even if Lederman and most fans do, Hopkins was still the dictator for too much of the round and still did more of the better work in terms of defence and clean punching overall)

Round 9: 10-9 Hopkins (Cloud starts positively, jabbing, landing a right hand, but Hopkins get his own jab moving, blocks a couple left hooks to head and body, lands his own counter hook while evading Cloud's right and stepping away, leaving Cloud to flail at air some more, Hopkins messing Cloud up with feints in centre ring and stepping in while Cloud is busy thinking, backing him up to the ropes and landing short stuff, triples his jab in centre ring to Cloud's irritation, Cloud lands a good left to the body but is being feinted into hesitancy and ineffectuality, he doesn't know when Hopkins is going to stay or go, Hopkins comes with a hard right hand over Cloud's jab, Cloud touches nothing for the remainder of the round)

Round 10: 10-9 Hopkins (Cloud just too hesitant to do anything, Hopkins' jab wins the first half of the round although the combinations behind it lack significant contact, Hopkins steps in after being cornered and lands a short right, Cloud follows him to the other corner but his left hook is blocked by the right glove of Hopkins, he's working gamely now, targeting the body, but Hopkins disrupts his rhythm with a timely clinch, Hopkins' jab and defence combining to make Cloud look poor, he jabs, Cloud misses, round ends, Cloud did so little effective work in 10 that it would be impossible to construe it as a round in his favour)

Round 11: 10-9 Cloud (first half of the round these guy compare jabs and alternate flurries, I like Cloud's work a bit more, there's some rare authority to it, second part of the round Cloud is pressuring nicely, not doing much in the way of damage but just being busy instead of being feinted out of the game as he had been in other periods, Cloud eases up for the first 30 seconds of the last minute, giving Hopkins opportunities to step in with combinations that yield little in the way of clean blows but back Cloud up sharply, the final thirty seconds of the round is Cloud pressuring but missing wildly, although Hopkins' landed counters are minimal - this is Cloud's round, Lederman gives it to Hopkins, but i'm not sure why)

Round 12: 10-9 Hopkins (little between them in the first minute of the round, but Hopkins squeaks it on authority, Cloud backing away after an 'exchange of views' up close, Cloud does clip Hopkins with a left hook but then fails to make pressure count when he has Hopkins with his back to a ringpost, Hopkins defends and turns Cloud in as relaxed a manner as possible, Cloud follows slowly into centre ring and Hopkins shows him the smallest of feints before popping him with a right hand and a left hook and clinching, they break, Hopkins jab and a right hand, Hopkins making Cloud jump back when he should be trying to knock the old man out, Hopkins eats a jab coming in but gets his own short left in, they clinch and break, Cloud lacking urgency with less than 60 seconds left to win the fight, just creeping forward hesitantly, Hopkins times that right hand lead again, Cloud is just following without punching, Hopkins lands his jab, moves laterally, lands his jab again and makes Cloud miss wildly with a right hand, this is embarrassing for Cloud, he pins Hopkins to the ropes with a pair of jabs but Hopkins ducks the right hand before walking to Cloud and stepping in with his right hand lead again, Cloud herding him to the ropes again behind a jab but missing the power punches still, Cloud in center ring trying to jab in to set up power punches in the dying seconds of the fight but Hopkins is slipping and countering the jab and getting out before the follow-up gets there - Hopkins round pretty clearly, yet Lederman inexplicably gives it to Cloud)

goodness, if you understand the scoring criteria, it's obvious who won most rounds, ie. the guy who was dictating to the other guy when things were going to happen (ring generalship, Hopkins), the guy landing more of the clean hits (Hopkins), the guy making the other guy miss and often wildly (Hopkins). DUH. thick ****.

now, if i did actually listen to HBO, i'd actually have this fight closer, because i didn't score 5 and 8 for Cloud as their unofficial card did.
but hey, despite what i saw in rounds 5 and 8, i'm going to be INSANELY GENEROUS like some wacky 80's American TV salesman and give Cloud those rounds just because Harold gave them to him!
but how that cross between Hans Moleman and Benny from Top Cat managed to score 11 for Hopkins and 12 for Cloud is beyond me, because i had the exact reverse. i'm not going to stretch to giving Cloud the 12th because that would be ridiculous. he did next to nothing effective in the round and got clowned.

so even then, with 1, 2, 5, 8 and 11 all scored for Cloud, I still have Hopkins winning 115-113. even while stretching generosity beyond reason, one can only give Cloud 5 rounds.

in reality it was more of a 10-2 fight for Hopkins (9-3 at closest), which makes my real score 118-110 (or 117-111 at closest).

Hopkins won very legitimately, the outcome was not even vaguely controversial. if you don't like it, fuck yourself.

[turkas]

Did we really need another thread about this?

No one agrees with you, move on.


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