How can PAC win against Morales on Jan21???

[AIR_KENG]

Actually it is MUCH easier for a a slugger with raw and unforgiving power to turn into a finesse boxer. All he has to do is the right training, both mentally and physically. In training a slugger can be a great boxer. Boxing skills are not innate and it is only acquired through rigid training.

On the other hand, the killing power of a punch can NEVER be trained. Either you have that in you or you don't.

In short, a slugger can be the best boxer through rigid training.

A boxer can never acquire the raw power of a slugger even if he trains himself till he puke. You either have it or you don't.

the fact remains that the bread and butter of manny is the straight left... using lateral movements does not make a you a finesse boxer as you point out, it helps, but it does not make you one...

as for a slugger easier to become a boxer, manny has been training with roach for what, three years now??? if he really wants to turn manny into a boxer, it should have started years ago... IMO, mann is comfrtable with his style... changing it at this point in time will just be suicide for him... add this and that will be ok but a complete transformation will be unlikely... imagine manny being the boxer and not the slugger, JMM anyone? boring... technically very sound, but boring...

[MlLkMan]

If Pac keeps going to EM's body, I think he can TKO or KO EM.

[AIR_KENG]

If Pac keeps going to EM's body, I think he can TKO or KO EM.

yes, absolutely... i really enjoyed the first round of their last fight when erik was backing up from pac's body attack and then erik threw a jab hitting nothing but air

[flipside]

the reason that pacquiao has been one of the hottest fighters in boxing today is because of his style,boxing has become too much of a science, e love boxing for the pure adraline rush we get when we see them slug it out not when we see fighters standing there for half the fight hiding behind a glove and i dont think it would do him any good to change into a technical boxer, cant change style when he been doing it for over 10 years already

[dep_violator]

the fact remains that the bread and butter of manny is the straight left... using lateral movements does not make a you a finesse boxer as you point out, it helps, but it does not make you one...

as for a slugger easier to become a boxer, manny has been training with roach for what, three years now??? if he really wants to turn manny into a boxer, it should have started years ago... IMO, mann is comfrtable with his style... changing it at this point in time will just be suicide for him... add this and that will be ok but a complete transformation will be unlikely... imagine manny being the boxer and not the slugger, JMM anyone? boring... technically very sound, but boring...

The definition of a boxer is very vague. What is you definition of it.

My definition of a boxer is one who uses his superior skills to outwit and outsmart an opponent rather than mere chaging him head-on.

I do admit that Manny's killer blow is the straight left. But it doesn't mean he cannot develop other killer moves, nor is he limited from just using his left.

The fight with Velasquez somehow showed that Manny has that ability to adjust. We all saw that what finished Velasquez was a lead-right hook on the southpaw stance, a near-impossible punch to guard.

Looking at how Manny developed, you will see that Manny in going up had all sorts of great odds stacked up against him. Our country doesn't have the right programs in order for guys like Manny to bloom in their own sweet time. You had to be an exceptional boxer if you want to rise in the ranks. It was indeed a slow transformation, from a bull-rushing slugger, to a not-so-bull-rushing slugger, to a finesse slugger. I don't see the reason why Manny can't take it to the next level.

Yes Manny is indeed comfortable in his style and I see him using that in the fight to his advantage. But adding a little bit something more will really be the icing on the cake.

[AIR_KENG]

The definition of a boxer is very vague. What is you definition of it.

My definition of a boxer is one who uses his superior skills to outwit and outsmart an opponent rather than mere chaging him head-on.

I do admit that Manny's killer blow is the straight left. But it doesn't mean he cannot develop other killer moves, nor is he limited from just using his left.

The fight with Velasquez somehow showed that Manny has that ability to adjust. We all saw that what finished Velasquez was a lead-right hook on the southpaw stance, a near-impossible punch to guard.

Looking at how Manny developed, you will see that Manny in going up had all sorts of great odds stacked up against him. Our country doesn't have the right programs in order for guys like Manny to bloom in their own sweet time. You had to be an exceptional boxer if you want to rise in the ranks. It was indeed a slow transformation, from a bull-rushing slugger, to a not-so-bull-rushing slugger, to a finesse slugger. I don't see the reason why Manny can't take it to the next level.

Yes Manny is indeed comfortable in his style and I see him using that in the fight to his advantage. But adding a little bit something more will really be the icing on the cake.

hehe, i think we're arguing on something we both believe...

with your definition of a boxer, i'd say manny isn't one... you said it yourself, a boxer does not bull-rush... manny is a head on fighter...

well it's difficult to have an argument when we do not set our limits... so many to discuss and there won't be a solid base for our assumptions and conclusions...

let me just point out one thing though... i said adding "some" skills won't hurt... but making him a finesse boxer is another question... regarding velasquez though, i do not like downplaying fighters but hector was just not in manny's league... it was like a test run for manny's right... no more no less...

[czars_salad]

The definition of a boxer is very vague. What is you definition of it.

with your definition of a boxer, i'd say manny isn't one... you said it yourself, a boxer does not bull-rush... manny is a head on fighter...

my definition of a boxer.... one who wears gloves and fights in a boxing match

[The Wire]

my definition of a boxer.... one who wears gloves and fights in a boxing match

Couldnt agree more

[flipside]

my definition of a boxer.... one who wears gloves and fights in a boxing match

definitely, we dont need to make it so technical, so dictionarish, a boxer fights in a boxing match, simnple as that

[Papa Ace]

Pac is born and would die a slugger. I'd rather see Pac turn it to a slugfest 'coz EM would surely come prepared and he might anticipate the body attacks. EM also maintains a good disciplined defense. Id like to see Pac go head-hunting from the ringing of the 1st round bell down to the last. Thats what Pac is known for. I dont care about the one-dimensional fighter stuff and the planned body attacks. **** that. EM will surely have a battle plan and the only way Pac could ruin it is by rampage! Added to the fact that with all the media coverage and fan support way back in the Philippines, he is so pressured to win. He needs to unleash that pressure fast and not restrain it. And besides Pac is the type of boxer who fights back quick when hurt and totally abandon any type of tactics that are to be executed by Freddie. So what's the use of having tactics at all? It may not be what boxing should look like, but to hell with that for now. We all want somebody to go down. We're cheering for the bull and not the matador. I say Pac make Erik Morales experience some Cleto Reyes dreams!!